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Thanks, back atchya.I like the way you cherry-pick scripture. It doesn't do much for learning and theology but I can see why it would be to your advantage psychologically to do it.
No person that wasn't saved would back predestination.
There are plenty on CF who don't think we have the power to choose. Really?
All you did with your semantics is add another layer to support the illusion.God can be (and is) Almighty without predetermining everything as relates to men (and possibly other creatures and plants). His almightiness is so great, that it has already factored in all the free choices which men will make, without interfering with His own plans and purposes. It actually diminishes God by claiming that He has predetermined every action (which is not even true). Indeed, it makes God entirely responsible for every sin and evil deed on this earth, and that is blasphemous.
Did Jesus deny Peter? The fact is you do not comprehend the verses you posted. To deny Jesus means you rejected salvation nothing more and nothing less.
Luke 8:8:50
When Jesus heard it, he answered him, saying, Fear not: believe only, and she shall be saved.
Acts 16:31
And they said, Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thine household.
Romans 10:9
For if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart, that God raised him up from the dead, thou shalt be saved:
1 Corinthians 15:2
And whereby ye are saved, if ye keep in memory, after what manner I preached it unto you, except ye have believed in vain.
John 10 : 28-29 28 And I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish, neither shall any pluck them out of mine hand.
29 My Father which gave them me, is greater than all, and none is able to take them out of my Father’s hand.
Yes! foreknowledge. That's my new word in the Calvin conversation. Thanks or bringing that back to my attention. Knew I was looking for a word.
Take a look at the screenshot, how many of these translations say evil?View attachment 173984
I don't disagree with the Bible at all.Do you just make things up as you go along because you can't admit you disagree with the bible?
Your remarks show a complete and total ignorance about church history and the history of doctrine. So let me clue you in. The Bible is not a work in systematic theology or metaphysics. it tells us very little about how God is built. it provides snap shots and these often conflict,. It is up to the reader to put these together into a unified whole. The early fathers looked to Hellenic metaphysics for help here. Now, there were many schools of Hellenic philosophy, but those which predominated the scene tended to stress the unreality of time and change and the material universe. The truly divine, the "really real," was taken to be something wholly immaterial, simple, immutable. The Greeks enshrined the immune and the immutable. Incorporated into Christianity, this meant God was understood and described as a wholly simple, passionless, immutable, nonrelational being, a monad. Then the fathers tried to introduce the highly complex, relational machinery into this monad. The result was contradiction and confusion.
I don't believe anyone has infallible judgment. I respect the church fathers, Catholic and Protestant, but still reserve the right to think critically about what they have to say.
I did. So far just the sound of crickets.I'd be asking for examples where these words mean different things.
God wants all kinds of men to be saved, not just Israel.You are welcome.
God wants all mankind to be saved, but, unfortunately many people will choose for themselves to not love Him.
If a person denies Jesus, he immediately loses his salvation.
But, he has until he dies to repent of his sin of denial. If he does not repent before death, Jesus will then deny him before His father.
Peter repented of his sins and he asked for forgiveness; otherwise Jesus would not have forgiven him.
Jesus saves every person who repents and believes in Him.
What must a person do in order to continue in his faith in Jesus after he has been saved by Jesus?
Nice try but you ignore that last verse I posted which is why all you excuses above are meaningless.
by which you are saved, if you hold it fast—unless you believed in vain. rsvHow do you think a person "holds fast"?
by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. nkjv
How do you think a person "believes in vain"?
Before the foundation of the world, God placed into His hand the people who He knew would still be faithful/obedient to His commandments at the time of their death. That is why these faithful-until-death people cannot ever be taken out of His hand.
We Christians do not know for sure who these faithful-until-death people are, but God knows!
Interpreters fall into two categories: those who seek to interpret the passage objectively with respect for the original meaning of the authors, and those who have an agenda. I have no agenda how about you?I don't disagree with the Bible at all.
I simply disagree with your own understanding/interpretation of the Bible.
I keep mine all locked in a cage in the basement and have them on a starvation diet of all the free will theology they can eat.Interpreters fall into two categories: those who seek to interpret the passage objectively with respect for the original meaning of the authors, and those who have an agenda. I have no agenda how about you?
Your remarks show a complete and total ignorance about church history and the history of doctrine. So let me clue you in. The Bible is not a work in systematic theology or metaphysics. it tells us very little about how God is built. it provides snap shots and these often conflict,. It is up to the reader to put these together into a unified whole. The early fathers looked to Hellenic metaphysics for help here. Now, there were many schools of Hellenic philosophy, but those which predominated the scene tended to stress the unreality of time and change and the material universe. The truly divine, the "really real," was taken to be something wholly immaterial, simple, immutable. The Greeks enshrined the immune and the immutable. Incorporated into Christianity, this meant God was understood and described as a wholly simple, passionless, immutable, nonrelational being, a monad. Then the fathers tried to introduce the highly complex, relational machinery into this monad. The result was contradiction and confusion.
I don't believe anyone has infallible judgment. I respect the church fathers, Catholic and Protestant, but still reserve the right to think critically about what they have to say.
Thanks but I hope my day goes well knowing I'm going to rebuild my Yamaha Venture Royal carbs which isn't an easy job considering it's my fist time taking on a job like this. As for your free will theologyI keep mine all locked in a cage in the basement and have them on a starvation diet of all the free will theology they can eat.
Hope your having a wonderful day.
I can pull scripture out of context as well. You know only a few verses later Paul says
"So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful natured a slave to the law of sin." which indicates we are puppets. Do you believe we are puppets? It is most certainly an easy way out but remember Matthew 7 specifically verse 23 where Jesus says "I never knew you, go away from me".
Ah yes here it is the typical Greek thinking, it must be "logical" to the Greek mind, it has to fit in with the thought patterns of the western world. If it doesn't it can't be logical therefore it can't be true thus it can be reality. Now you have sunk again to giving options in an attempt to trap people into denying God's abilities. Sorry not falling for that little trick.
Everything includes freewill.
It has been answered by being ignored, you didn't like it so you kept harping on about it. When it was answered with a reply you didn't like that either so you are still harping on about it. What is the major problem here? Is it people answering your question by ignoring it, or is it people answering with a reply that you don't like?
Puppets is an apt word. The problem is you are thinking with human logic even your example here shows this.Puppets is an unfair word. Our nature is simply a program...code that when executed results as its Creator intended to fulfill a purpose. He can alter the code whenever He chooses (think Ezekiel 36:26).
I don't see an elephant on the table. God does what God does I do not have a right to question his reasons, that has already been explained to you but you just keep going on and on like a broken record.Not a trick, and don't you think you may simply be deflecting in order to ignore the elephant on the table?
Yes, when you use the word everything it must include everything.Does it? I have given Scripture directly refuting that claim.
Your question has been directly acknowledged. I gave 2 references to scripture why I will not answer it in the way you want me to. If you have a problem with that it is your problem not mine. The next problem is you keep harping on about it. I went shopping yesterday and there was a young mother with her children. At the very front of the store is chocolates and the kids wanted some, she said no. They kept harping on about it all the way around the shop. By the end the kids were crying because she stuck to her guns. Guess what, I'm sticking to my guns. You can either accept the answer you have been given and stop harping on about it or you can be like the kids I saw yesterday and end up getting very upset that things are not going the way you want. The choice is yours.Nope, I just want someone to directly acknowledge and answer the question with the facts in direct consideration. That has YET to be done.
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