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56 years as a a member of the church and as a church historian.
I didn't read the article- conversion should be of the heart- not forced. If someone attempted to do that, then they're wrong.So I ask you, is it right for Christians to prey upon vulnerable children to spread their beliefs?
No.Is it right for anyone to prey on vulnerable children to spread their beliefs?
I bet as many atheists do so as Christians.Do you think Atheists prey upon children?
Oh, probably about as many as the Christians and the atheists, I'd say.Do you think Gays prey upon children?
56 years as a a member of the church and as a church historian.
Post proof or retract.
I see your point, but comments such as yours are a dangerous slope.
In my house (I do go to church frequently) any minor under my care that needs direct adult supervision (depends on the age and maturity of said minor) may have to go to church with me when I go (not to indoctrinate them but so as I wouldn't be liable should they do something idiotic or get hurt in my absence). I certainly wouldn't force any bible studies or prayers on anyone though. If they didn't like to go to church, I'd try to arrange something else for them to do that was supervised during that time.
I don't know that I'd ever want an exchange student anyway. I knew a family who had an exchange student from South Korea once. They caught him making long distance phone calls to a porn producer at two in the morning. The boy was trying to sell a porn script. He also had attempted to steal one of their credit cards and had stashed some of their things with his luggage. BTW, they were church goers and didn't make him go to church- they let him do his thing- until his thing clashed big time with their rules, their hospitality, and the rules of the exchange program. Then, they sent him back.
I am the greatest genius that has ever lived, therefore everything I say is true. You have to believe me, I am posting it on the Internet.
Marksman, can we please not play these games?
It is because of people who think they have the right to do these things, not people such as you, that parenthood should be a privilege.
I see your point, but comments such as yours are a dangerous slope.
In my house (I do go to church frequently) any minor under my care that needs direct adult supervision (depends on the age and maturity of said minor) may have to go to church with me when I go (not to indoctrinate them but so as I wouldn't be liable should they do something idiotic or get hurt in my absence). I certainly wouldn't force any bible studies or prayers on anyone though. If they didn't like to go to church, I'd try to arrange something else for them to do that was supervised during that time. ETA- I would differentiate between my own children and other people's children who are in my care. I'd be a bit more- when you're old enough you can do what you like, but for now you're doing things my way- with my own children.
I don't know that I'd ever want an exchange student anyway. I knew a family who had an exchange student from South Korea once. They caught him making long distance phone calls to a porn producer at two in the morning. The boy was trying to sell a porn script. He also had attempted to steal one of their credit cards and had stashed some of their things with his luggage. BTW, they were church goers and didn't make him go to church- they let him do his thing- until his thing clashed big time with their rules, their hospitality, and the rules of the exchange program. Then, they sent him back.
You did a horrible job.
Granted they prayed and prayed and the lady Karen cried and Marine felt pressured to go to church.
But Marine, the french student, became a Christian "after" she left the Christian family and it didn't happen until the "next" summer. After Marine invited the Christian family to visit her own family.
Which was something else you left out.
If as you said, she was forced through emotional trauma put on her by this Christian family and Marine's parents would be angry, then why didn't they express their anger when the Christian family went to France?
Why did her sister become a Christian and why did Marine ask them if they wanted to go to church when they got to France?
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Yes I would.
How about you address the post I made and I'll think about answering those questions when I see that you're capable of a rational OP.
The original question is irrelevant for the simple reason that it is implying because this family put pressure on this girl, that it is happening all the time. It is just an attempt at christian bashing to satisfy a damaged ego.
Until you can provide evidence of wholesale abuse by christians in this way, your credibility is nil.
I'm sorry you feel this way, let us presume (and I don't believe this since you failed to provide any backing facts) that there is a corellation of atheists having a higher suicide rate (again disclaimer: I doubt this is true, you provided no facts, we're just playing to your fantasy). Then there would be a corellation between the two, corellation does not equal causation, therefore corellation of suicide and atheism (again, no proof of any said corellation, just playing to fantasy here) does not mean atheism causes suicide. Indeed, I'd think it more likely that the social 'shunning' of christians and of christian parents would be a more likely cause since such things have social and emotional impacts.Secondly, your biase is evident by the fact that you say atheists don't prey on children. Of course they do in the classroom inasmuch only evolution a theory that has not been proven is forced down children's throats as if it is fact.
Their abuse is even more evident when teachers are not allowed to let children make up their own mind by presenting evolution and creation science. This is dangerous for some children as there is anecdotal evidence that it causes suicide. If you have no beginning and no end the bit in between is a bit of a waste of time. So fragile children see no point in continuing to live when the pressure is too much for them. When life is depressing and pointless, suicide is the logical outcome because death brings relief according to atheistic evolution.
First, you provide no proof. It's my opinion that the suicide rate between atheist and theist are about equal. Give proof or watch me giggle.Christian young people rarely suicide because they know their origins, they know they have a purpose for living and they know that when they die, it is only the beginning of eternity.
Somehow I think you've been duped. Care to provide facts? I googled 'william allen' and all I got was a historical figure that died back in 1856. We didn't have the internet back in 1856 last I was aware.Third, your claim that homos don't pray on children is complete rubbish as all you have presented as evidence is yourself and a few friends. Well, I will wipe out your contention by saying that I HEARD a homosexual, William Allen say in a forum that he had sex with over 2,000 boys.
Obviously someone reported him to the police as he was arrested a few days later and committed suicide before he came to trial. Your claim is cancelled out by my claim.
I never said that, all I did was post the information within the article that you left out.I didn't answer because at that time I was gathering opinions, not debating people's opinions. You see, sometimes I just want to learn, not butt heads with people. It was only after the thread broke down from direct answerings to debate that I began debating.
Now, to your questions, I gather from your 1st post in this thread that you seem to believe the ends justify the means. While Marine's conversion didn't begin and end with the mother's tears and the father's ultimatums, they did apparently begin with them, therefore the means of her conversion was emotional manipulation.
No. It wasn't.The rest of your post is a pair of red herrings.
But you did ask how the reader would feel had their children been converted by atheist and made a comment with no identifiable point.I didn't mention Marine's parents or her sister because they were not part of the scope of this post and its topic,
That is true but it is still enough information to question your entire OP.but also because there is very little information about them-
While it is true that we can only assume what her parent's thought, I never suggested what that was.we can only make assumptions about the interaction of them between the Exchange home, the parents, marine, and her sister- and assuming seems to be a good bit of what you're doing.
I don't.Tell me, how do you know what Marine had told her parents,
"When you have two competing theories that make exactly the same predictions, the simpler one is the better."or the method of Marine's sister's conversion? If you have additional resources that provide this information, by all means share them.
O.K.Now, would you like to answer the rest of my questions? To be honest, it doesn't matter much anymore, the thread has moved from information gathering to debate now, so you can do what you wish.
No need to be.
But I was enjoying myself. Ah well, I guess as you started the game you have the right to stop it.
That was not the impication of your previous post. You gave the impression that parenting was a priviledge for everyone. parenting is a gift from God. What we do with it is in our hands.
The government encourages bad parenting and single parenting with their policies so they have to accept the outcomes and pay for them.
I don't know what the frequency of this is, however frequency is irrelevant.
I made no statement signifying that this was a majority of Christians, /QUOTE]
You did by implication.
Can you show me where I said atheists have a higher suicide rate?that there is a corellation of atheists having a higher suicide rate
Then there would be a corellation between the two, corellation does not equal causation, therefore corellation of suicide and atheism
First, you provide no proof.
It's my opinion that the suicide rate between atheist and theist are about equal.
Also, as a side note, you clearly don't understand atheist philosophy,
Somehow I think you've been duped. Care to provide facts? I googled 'william allen' and all I got was a historical figure that died back in 1856. We didn't have the internet back in 1856 last I was aware.
Also, your claim is cancelled out by my claim that using the argument 'my claim cancels your claim' isn't really an argument at all.
Your claim is a claim of fact and requires robust evidence in order to be taken as true.
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