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Very well said David!
I do tend to desire the preachers that The Holy Spirit is rolling through them like a steam roller, but you are correct, not everyone will have a strong anointing of preaching. They should get with GOD and get that anointing though if they are going to be in that position.
I love it - both when it comes on me and others when I'm listening. It may offend the flesh and step on toes, but my spirit does flips.
Oh yea!
There is an anointing for each ministry, as long as people are in the position that GOD called them to be in. If they will humble themselves and let GOD exalt them in due time, then they will begin to walk in that power. Most of the time, people are not patient enough to wait on all that GOD has for them, and they are so anxious to get out into the harvest field, that they miss all the goodness that GOD wants to give them.
Anyways, that is a long story in itself.
Just because a preacher yells doesn't mean that they are filled with the Spirit.
Amen to that,'fruit' as well as 'power'. 'Character' as well as 'dynamite!'Well duh.
And there's nothing to be nervous about. God doesn't give us a spirit of fear. The new spirit in Messiah isn't the part of us that gets nervous. It is our flesh. That flesh is what we are to be overcoming - which is why confrontational preaching that speaks the truth is good. It confronts the flesh so that one may overcome it.
Yes, it is sad that there are empowered Pentecostals who know how to yield to the anointing one minute, and then turn around and display a lack of fruit of the Spirit the next in their attitude towards others. The cussing part isn't the problem because the Scripture doesn't define cussing as four letter words - that is a tradition - cursing - as in casting a curse on another with your words, which can include four letter words, is what Scripture is against. Such as "I hope you f---in die you piece of sh-t." That is vile speech according to Scripture. But, "Man! I just stepped in sh-t" is not. It is one way, a common way, to describe that situation, and is not cursing anything or anyone. I avoid both so as not to be a stumbling block to anyone, since the tradition is so wide-spread and accepted.
So, when such preachers allow themselves to get in the flesh and start tongue lashing others, they are out of line. One mistake many Christians make is thinking a leader or preacher is perfect. I haven't met anyone that has fully overcome their flesh and never gets in the flesh anymore. People get in the flesh in different ways.
Do you have an addiction? Even to coffee, sugar, or anything else? That is getting in the flesh - regularly. Do you ever participate in and entertain gossip, slander, or back-biting of any sort? That is flesh and sinful. Do you ever let your emotions get out of control, whether in anger, sadness, etc? That is flesh. Do outward things get you nervous? Flesh. The list would be very long - but many things Christians do is flesh. Some just have hidden issues more and white-wash in public.
Empowerment of the Spirit and the gifts of the Spirit are by grace, and refinement is a separate work of the Spirit, to sanctify the believer. Sadly, some receive the gifts by faith, and operate in such by grace, to edify the Body one minute, and then when they are done with that, they go right over into the flesh and put people down wrongly, because they aren't very refined. They still have a whole lot of dross to have dealt with in the fire.
Another thing I can tell you from experience is, that when the anointing has been on my strongly, it effects my flesh. My flesh gets weary after a while under it, and certain anointing will even agitate my flesh. When I then go out of the manifestation of the Presence and the anointing, my flesh will even more so want to lead me into acting up and getting its desires. It is almost like the flesh says, "Okay, I went through all that for God, now it is my turn to do what I want." I can't respond to that, or it is sin. The flesh doesn't operate in faith but in doubt. It doesn't have true love, it is selfish. It just wants its way. I've learned to guard myself extra when I come out of a great time of the Spirit moving upon me to use me. And I remind my flesh, "You didn't do anything for God! I (new man in Messiah) am in charge here and I'll use you however I desire and however God wills!"
Some haven't even experienced the refining (sanctification) process enough to really be aware keenly of this separation between the old and new natures, both still being in the body, and being at war over who's going to reign at any given moment. I doubt highly a preacher that preaches and then cusses out the crew is aware of such - and that shows they haven't submitted regularly to the refining fire to remove the dross, and the cross they are to carry, to crucify the flesh. Sad. They should be better examples than that.
I've noticed that Satan will fight tooth and nail to try to keep leaders in the Body from receiving the FULL work of the Spirit. I've seen Baptist preachers with great fruit of the Spirit and had been much worked on by the Spirit to be refined, taking up their cross to follow Jesus. But they had little to no empowerment because they didn't receive the work of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. They could still attract thousands of members in their churches, because of natural charisma, good fruit people like, and messages that don't offend anyone but attract people in this ear tickling generation.
Then I've also seen people that when the anointing is manifesting, it is obvious they know about the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and have empowerment, but then when not operating in that anointing, they show much less fruit of the Spirit than some Baptist preachers. Why? I can only think Satan has puffed them up somehow in pride so they don't think they need to work on the refinement part. That happens sometimes when someone becomes empowered - they can get puffed up in pride thinking that empowerment means God is already perfectly pleased with how they are, and they have no improvements to make. That isn't true. God gave the baptism by grace for those who would believe, but we still need refinement in the fire.
The greatest men of God such as Wigglesworth, have both. They live holy lives unto God with all fruit of the Spirit, and they are very much empowered, more so than any others. To be Christ-like, truly, you have to walk in the fruit and the power of the Spirit - both. He did both, not just one or the other.
I hope this helps someone,
David
Good one,'happy brother! Keep them coming as the Lord leads you.Who thought of this one ?
ME !!!!!!!
Good one,'happy brother! Keep them coming as the Lord leads you.
Have you had floods your way? In the Midlands,especially Gloucestershire,it's been bad.
I'm glad there are good preachers to liston to in many of our churches. When they come
with the Word of the Lord under the annointing of the Holy Spirit,it makes all the difference.
'Sorry to hear' what dear 'happy' brother? O you mean the floods in the Midlands! Yes it has been bad,our water is still off,at the moment. Thank God for the promises of His Word.We can truely trust in Him. God bless you and yours also.Sorry to hear that.....we can't put our trust in bricks and mortar brother !
God bless you and yours.
agreed I have listen to him before actually quite a few times before. Even though he doesn't seem to preach out of the bible he gives alot of bible based advice and all.Honestly i have never sat down and actually listened to Pastor Olsteen, but i do prefer preachers that allow themselves to become overwhelmed with the holy ghost. Some of my favorite ministers and pastors are Bishop T.D. Jakes, Bishop Paul Morton, Pastor Rod Parsley, Prophetess Jaunita Bynum, Bishop Eddie Long and the list goes on and on. When i go to service i want to feel the spirit of the Lord stirred up in his people.
Does any of you preachers out their feel exhausted the next day after preaching? In other words, if you preached on Sunday morning or Sunday night, have you felt worn out Monday afternoon?
If so, why?
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But, my body is tired right after preaching, the level of which seems to depend on the amount of anointing I'm standing in. A little anointing doesn't wear me out as much as if it is a lot and (this is why I feel tired) it feels like I've grabbed hold of a live electric wire of many thousands of volts. Then, by the time the anointing lifts, my body is dead tired. Through during I feel like I'm hooked up to pure energy and could run a marathon.
It hasn't happen to me before but I know it happens when the spirit is in them and everything.Does any of you preachers out their feel exhausted the next day after preaching? In other words, if you preached on Sunday morning or Sunday night, have you felt worn out Monday afternoon?
If so, why?
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