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Pre-Preparing the Soil?

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In Reformed / Calvinistic circles, we speak and write often describing the concept of a monergistic regeneration.

Regeneration is widely (universally?) held to be instantaneous and is a work of the Spirit.

I do not recall any significant discussions regarding the theological underpinnings of preparations preceding regeneration.

Whereas the Arminian will regularly discuss life circumstances as bringing persons to a point of decision, which may or may not culminate in a saving act, Calvinists rarely (in my limited experience) discuss the matter much with any reference to the theological implications of these circumstances.

Certainly circumstances must work out such that a person comes to a point of considering the gospel when it is presented. Something may lead him to become dissatisfied with his "former" beliefs, or his life situation, etc. Something brings him to the point of coming into the presence of a gospel presentation.

Does God use his people (or life circumstances) to "pre-prepare" the unregenerate mind of His elect at times?

It would seem that this is necessarily so.

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Sure I believe that He does, but this falls in the realm of His providential rule. When we read the narratives in Scripture, especially those of the Old Testament, we see that God is superintending all of history in such a way that He brings about His will. Perhaps one of the most intricate examples would be the situation of Joseph, his brothers, the coat of many colors, and his later rise to power in Egypt. These acts of God certainly (and preeminently) includes the salvation of His people, which takes place in real space-time history and therefore requires real space-time precedents.

One passage that comes to mind is Rom. 10. In order for the elect to believe, they must hear. In order for them to hear they must be preached to; the preacher must be sent, and so on. We see God working through means to bring about the salvation of His elect, including the circumstances of both the one who "hears" and the one who "preaches" to bring them together so that one may believe.
 
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Does God use his people (or life circumstances) to "pre-prepare" the unregenerate mind of His elect at times?

It would seem that this is necessarily so.

Help me out here.

Sure He does. He brings the chosen sinner to the end of himself, to self abhor himself into the dust. He takes away all false refuges and lies of the religious world. He strips away all presumption and humbles him. He inflicts fatal wounds with His law so that self-righteousness dies. Thus each chosen sinner is made to feel himself hungry, thirsty, burdened, heavy ladened, poor, broken, imprisoned, etc..before He reveals His Son in them. The Spirit of God uses circumstances, people, conscience, anything and everything.
 
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For you consideration, this was posted on the Predestinarian Yahoo Group:

The new birth is just that - another BIRTH. The first was "of the flesh and IS flesh;" the second is of the "Spirit and IS SPIRITUAL." Man has NOTHING to do in THAT process which is of the Spirit. And this spiritual Life is an absolute necessity to hear, see, believe, and/or LOVE the Lord Jesus Christ and rejoice in His Gospel. All the preaching in this world together, and all the books on the Gospel are of no lasting benefit in the ABSENCE of this divine life.

The quickening and birth of this Spiritual man is often in the absence of the presentation of the Gospel, but no one has good reason to assume because one understands a birthing process, and that such is exclusively in the grace of God Himself, that we do NOT believe all of God's elect will be "sanctified by the Spirit AND BELIEF OF THE TRUTH." I will add, in the absence of BELIEF OF THE TRUTH, there is no evidence of any spiritual birth, for that TRUTH is what makes manifest the presence of a spiritual nature.


An Arminian in arrogant faith is not showing any sound evidence of being born of the Spirit; and a Calvinist knowing he is saved and bound for heaven and immortal glory because he believes five points of the historic Christian faith is showing no evidence of an experimental relationship with Christ. God's dear children are born of God, "not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the Word of God that liveth and abideth forever;" he is such a one as has the presence of his corruptible flesh still, with the warfare between that which is born of Adam's seed and that which is born of Christ' seed, and therefore must of necessity at times be full of fears and doubts, and fiery trials to test his faith, and at times a feeling of joy and rejoicing in the sweet blessings of his Lord. He is one that is anointed of God, and this anointing teaches him all things; it is the unction of the Holy Ghost, and belongs ONLY to one born of God by the instrumentality of His blessed Spirit. I see NO evidence of anything spiritual in a mere head-knowledge Christianity that has no living fruit of spirituality.


BUT, let's not put God in a strait-jacket to work as WE would wish Him to work! Many elect doubt their salvation because they were born of God at an early age prior to their memory of it; many physically deaf, or "hearing impaired" individuals are born of God and WILL NEVER HEAR THE GOSPEL PREACHED - many of us on this forum know of such personally; and many at Antioch Church at Cleveland, Texas know of such! Only God Himself knows "them that are His," and it was David's sin to "number the children of Israel," because he did not pay a price of redemption for each that he dared to number.


Some of us grew up in religious institutions that loved NUMBERS, posted them on boards behind their pulpits, published them in their Minutes, and bragged on how many they got saved, etc. In such a setting, NUMBERS are important, and we just have to find some format to number them as correctly as we can. But it is a sin! My cats are NOT named by other people- they are MINE! and my bank-account is nobodies business but my own! God's people are HIS, and it "ain't none of our business who they are," or how many they be! It is enough to know that ALL of those in seed-substance in Eternal Election in Christ are saved by Him in His humiliation, obedience, suffering and death while on earth, and they will in time be called, regenerated and converted and kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation in Christ to immortal glory.


To me, I found that once I saw that what Christ did WHILE HERE ON EARTH to "save His people from their sins," (as the angel told Mary,) and once noticed that each thing He accomplished has an "ed" (past tense) on each word, the whole confusion of what the gospel did, versus what God did, came to an end. So, notice that He ransomedus; He reconciled us to God; He IS the propitiation of our sins; He saved us; He washed us in His blood, etc. Isn't that what the angel said? "Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save HIS PEOPLE from their sins." And HE DID! " I came not to do mine own will, but the will of (My Father) which hath sent Me;""Who hath SAVED US, and called us with a holy calling." "Which were born, not of blood or the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." John 1:13.


The gospel is for the edification of those who are believers; it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth - but not to any unbelievers. The word "salvation" does not invariably mean "receiving divine life" in all cases: in many instances it is a "deliverance," and "instructive" to save from error, the chastening rod, etc.

Yours, Stan Phillips


 
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This reminds me of an american proverb, "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing."

Preparation -- knowledge, influence, protection -- are a "given".

Compare a modern example -- do you teach children their sums? Even before they become aware they will need this for calculating costs and balances, weights and volumes? There's a whole world of application that can open up to people who know mathematics. But most kids don't know that when learning their sums.
 
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This reminds me of an american proverb, "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing."

Preparation -- knowledge, influence, protection -- are a "given".

Compare a modern example -- do you teach children their sums? Even before they become aware they will need this for calculating costs and balances, weights and volumes? There's a whole world of application that can open up to people who know mathematics. But most kids don't know that when learning their sums.

Perhaps an example will help my specific interest to be better understood.

THEOLOGICALLY, what do you believe is accomplished in an activity like Ravi Zacharias’ going to Ivy League schools and debating philosophy with their best and brightest students? It is essentially a game of “cat and mouse” – Mr. Zacharias being the cat (with years of experience studying and debating philosophy from a Christian perspective) and the arrogant young students (who are, by comparison, only beginning their studies in the field), being the mice. The discussions generally make it clear that the students hold secular views that are self contradicting.

Similar “revelations” to the unregenerate are often possible when discussing with them the cosmological argument for the necessary existence of one having the power of being within himself – which I find to be wonderfully consistent with God’s declaration that He is the “I AM.”

My interest is in whether these practices are of value because they allow even the spiritually dead to perhaps see that they cannot, reasonably believe what they thought they believed – not even to their own professed standards and view of reality. This would seem to open them up the the notion that they need to look elsewhere for truth and through that realization possibly come under the teaching of one who will bring before them God's Word.

Or are such discussions simply a waste of time because, until they are born again they will simply find another way to suppress the truth in unrighteousness?
 
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