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When a saint enters into the joy of their Master, they are "put in charge of many things" (Mat 25:21)

Matthew 25;
21 His lord said to him: Well done, good and faithful servant, because thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will place thee over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord. 22 And he also that had received the two talents came and said: Lord, thou deliveredst two talents to me: behold I have gained other two. 23 His lord said to him: Well done, good and faithful servant: because thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will place thee over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord. 24 But he that had received the one talent, came and said: Lord, I know that thou art a hard man; thou reapest where thou hast not sown, and gatherest where thou hast not strewed. 25 And being afraid I went and hid thy talent in the earth: behold here thou hast that which is thine.

Requests for intercession of saints is as old as Christianity itself. It is not a construct of the middle ages. I recently visited the Catacombs, just outside of Rome. It was an amazing experience. I felt a strong connection with the early Christians who left a written record on the walls of the Catacombs as a testimony of their beliefs. I came upon a wall of hundreds of inscriptions asking the martyred Peter and Paul to pray for them. It was very moving.
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Photo: Catacomb of St. Sabastiano: Fragments of a wall plaster from the triclia with
numerous graffiti that ask for the prayers of the martyred apostles, Peter and Paul.


Copyright Pontificia Commissione di Archeologia Cristiana, Roma (Used with Permission)

www.davidmacd.com/catholic/saints.htm
 

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Prayer to the saints difficult for many to grasp, but I dont know why. (Allow me to quote my favorite person - ME - from the other thread.)

In Catholic understanding, prayer is a "request". When we pray to those who have gone to heaven ahead of us, we are making a "request" of them. And what is that request? It is that THEY pray for US. Protestants do it all the time, but limit themselves to making this request only of people still on earth. In this, I think the protestant view of the Church is very narrow (no disrespect intended to my seperated brethren). You see, Romans 8: 38-39 says: "neither death nor life.. ..present nor the future.. ..height nor depth.. ..will be able to separate us...".; The Family of God transcends death. We ALL LIVE IN CHRIST. (*It is important to note that praying to saints is not a requirement of Catholics, just an option: Just as a protestant doesnt HAVE to ask a friend to pray for them, but they can.)


Heb 12: 22-24 says that as we approach God, Jesus and the angels, we also approach "the spirits of righteous men made perfect". In other words, THE SAINTS. But, can they hear us? Scripture indicates those in heaven ARE aware of the prayers of those on earth. For example, in Revelation 5:8, John depicts the saints in heaven offering our prayers to God under the form of "golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints." But if the saints in heaven are offering our prayers to God, then they must be aware of our prayers. They are aware of our petitions and present them to God by interceding for us.

Oh, and the intercession of fellow Christians in heaven also clearly does not interfere with Christ’s unique mediatorship because in the four verses immediately preceding 1 Timothy 2:5, Paul says that Christians should interceed: "First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life, godly and respectful in every way. This is good, and pleasing to God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth" (1 Tim. 2:1–4). Clearly, intercessory prayers offered by Christians on behalf of others is something "good and pleasing to God"

Bottom line for me, if I am going to ask someone to pray for me, I'm seeking out the holiest person I can find. As the Bible says: "The prayer of a righteous man availeth much" (KJV).

For more Biblical references, go to:
http://www.catholic.com/library/Praying_to_the_Saints.asp
 
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www.religionfacts.com/jesus/image_gallery/250...

Check this out...
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This was a families tomb...
The iconography and such tells us the story of the sacraments.

In this Gallery A, on the left side, there are five small rooms, truly family tombs. Their importance is due to the frescoes which date back from the beginning of the 3rd century. They frequently depict symbolically the sacraments of Baptism and of the Eucharist.

With these drawings the Christians of the first centuries wished to recall their catechumenate (i.e. their preparation to Baptism) and leave a message to their contemporaries. They had become Christians through Baptism and had persevered in their Christian life by frequent communion. They also wanted to remind their dear ones, and whoever visited their tombs, that one day they would be united again only if they shared the same means of salvation.
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Since it seems to have no bearing on salvation I really don't see what the big deal over it is. If you want to prayed to those who have passed on, asking them to relay your requests, go right ahead. If you don't, then don't.
Well, that was a show-stopper
 
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Who here wants more?? :wave:

Who here can say....this is fascinating and viable part of history that prooves the early Christians did in fact ask for prayers from Saints...
And asked for their departed souls to be prayed for. ;)

O, and the sacraments.
That particular family said ' united again only if they shared the same means of salvation.
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Who here wants more?? :wave:

Who here can say....this is fascinating and viable part of history that prooves the early Christians did in fact ask for prayers from Saints...
And asked for their departed souls to be prayed for. ;)

O, and the sacraments.
That particular family said ' united again only if they shared the same means of salvation.
.'
Sounds good to me
 
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What are ya stretching mont?





Art: Roman Christian Catacombs - CIC

Paleochristian art stems predominantly from classical graeco-roman art, and its period ranges from the first to the sixth century. The earliest examples of Christian art are to be found within the catacombs! The majority of marble sculptures for example, dated from the 3rd through the 5th centuries, are found on the sarcophagi of the catacombs.
The decoration of tombs was common among ancient Mediterranean cultures. The funerary art depicts epic and mythical stories, historical episodes, religious rituals, signs and symbols. The tombs of the Egyptians, and those of the Etruscans, are two examples which demonstrate how important this type of art has been in unlocking the beliefs and ideas of lost civilizations.
The funerary art of the catacombs reveals much about the early Christians, who they were and what they believed in.

INSCRIPTIONS • Did you know more than 30,000 Greek and Latin inscriptions have been discovered in the catacombs?The Greek and Latin inscriptions discovered to date in the catacombs were carved for the most part on marble slabs which sealed the tombs.

i have to run...been a busy day and now i must :yawn::sleep:
 
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Guess that's the problem with us "bible only types. If we didn't see example of or them telling us to them from the original aspostles.we sorta let it "out there". Each believer in Christ will stand before Him at the Bema seat..What we did or did not do in the name of Chirst will either get a reward or ash..Following or not following these extra biblical doctrines should have no bearing there..
 
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Guess that's the problem with us "bible only types. If we didn't see example of or them telling us to them from the original aspostles.we sorta let it "out there". Each believer in Christ will stand before Him at the Bema seat..What we did or did not do in the name of Chirst will either get a reward or ash..Following or not following these extra biblical doctrines should have no bearing there..

IF we are reading the same Bible, it is scriptural and it is not extra Biblical....

Why would the early Church members make these inscriptions 'if' they were not taught it was proper?

Tell me Kim, my dearest friend whom i love...
What does it mean .....

Well done, good and faithful servant: because thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will place thee over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
 
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IF we are reading the same Bible, it is scriptural and it is not extra Biblical....

Why would the early Church members make these inscriptions 'if' they were not taught it was proper?

Tell me Kim, my dearest friend whom i love...
What does it mean .....

Well done, good and faithful servant: because thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will place thee over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

Incidently...that passage is after the judgement of the servants was passed down.

Therefore....... Jesus is GOING to administer them over many things.
Many things on earth...
And here is something else on that note [of judgement]

Luke 19
17 And he said to him: Well done, thou good servant, because thou hast been faithful in a little, thou shalt have power over ten cities.
 
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