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Do you all have a very structured prayer life? Or do you pray as and when? I don't mean to do with prayer requests n stuff, but generally speaking.

Also, do any of you pray before reading the Bible, or read the Bible before praying?

Asking cos my prayer life feels a little by-the-seat-of-my-pants and would like it to be more definitive and organised, cos then it would feel more secure, maybe :scratch:

I always thought praying first thing in the morning is a great idea, cos it sets the day off right, but it takes a lot of discipline... which I don't have.
 

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I TRY to have a structured prayer life, try being the operative word :)

I grew up on the non-denom charismatic tradition which generally values spontenaity and doesn't like structure (though in truth it has a structure all its own). I personally, however, found it difficult to really have a prayer life without structure.
In my opinion that is simply the nature of discipline. Discpline requires structure.

As a part and parcel of that, I have often found it helpful to begin my prayer times with a structured prayer as well, and then go into more spontaneous, 'personal' conversation sorts of prayer.

It is an ancient tradition, going all the way back into OT judaism to have prayer on the hours.. or set prayer times at various hours through the day.. Christianity carried this on. Usually the most common ones are morning prayer, noonday, evening prayer (sometimes called vespers) and Compline (or midnight/late night).

When I'm doing well with my discipline I try to do three a day, morning, noonday, and compline. At minimum I try to do compline (though I frequently fail at that as well).

I use a prayer book (the anglican book of common prayer) to get me started, and then I do more spontaneous prayer.
Even in that though, I have found it helpful to have some basic structure. I got what I use from a website on prayer, but I can't remember the whole thing that the site presented.

but I begin by reminding myself to be conscious of the presense of God.. remembering that God's Spirit dwells within me, and that the Father and the Son abide with me, so I am very much in the presense of God. Then I focus on adoration of God, you might think of it as praise or just focusing on loving God for a little bit. Then I move on to thanking God for what he has done for me and for friends and family, and everyone.. be thankful for everything.

After that I usually start praying about the "requests" that I have, but try to focus first on requests for other people. After all that I try to remember to just leave some time to focus on God and wait in silence, basically just listening.

As I said, I TRY to do this, sometimes I'm successful, other times not so much :)
 
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I usually pray once each day, either while falling alseep, or in the morning when I cannot get back to sleep.

Soemtimes, when I feel a special need to be thnakful, I go to a church which is always open during the day, and where I light some candles.

It's nice, and He listens all the time :)
 
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I do have a very structured prayer life.

I generally pray when waking, and when going to bed, using the format provided by Martin Luther in his small catechism. It goes like this:

First, you pray the Apostle's Creed:

I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
the Creator of heaven and earth,
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord:

Who was conceived of the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried.

He descended into hell.

The third day He arose again from the dead.

He ascended into heaven
and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty,
whence He shall come to judge the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and life everlasting.

Amen.

Then, you pray the Lord's Prayer:

Our Father, who art in Heaven,
Hallowed be thy Name.
Thy Kingdom come.
Thy will be done,
in earth as it is in Heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our trespasses,
As we forgive them that trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation;
But deliver us from evil.
For thine is the kingdom, The power, and the glory,
For ever and ever. Amen.

Then, the morning prayer or nightly prayer.

The Morning Prayer:

I thank You, my Heavenly Father, through Jesus Christ, Your dear Son, that You have kept me this night from all harm and danger; and I pray that You would keep me this day from sin and all evil, that all my doings and life may please You. For into Your hands I commend myself, my body and soul, and all things. Let your holy angel be with me, that the Evil One may have no power over me. Amen.

The Evening Prayer:

I thank You, my Heavenly Father, through Jesus Christ, Your dear Son, that You have graciously kept me this day, and I pray that You would forgive me all my sins, where I have done wrong, and graciously keep me this night. For into Your hands I commend myself, my body and soul, and all things. Let Your holy angel be with me, that the Evil One may have no power over me. Amen.

Then, instead of praying before or after reading Scripture, I pray my way through a psalm (I just work my way through the book of psalms, one each morning and night, and then start over again), trying to pray it very slowly and meditate on each line.

(I recommend for learning to pray through Scripture you look into the ancient art of Lectio Divina. It's the art of praying and meditating through Scripture. It works particurally well in the 'Wisdom Literature'- Psalms, Proverbs, Song of Solomon, Ecclesiastes, Job- but also in the songs of Isaiah and Revelation)

Then, once all this has really brought me into tune with the Spirit, I pray for any personal concerns or petitions, and give specific thanks for the Lord's blessings.

I'd also like to mention an ancient Eastern Orthodox prayer, the Jesus Prayer or Prayer of the Heart, that I've been using. It goes like this:

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.

It's a wonderful little prayer- the whole of the gospel is wrapped up in it- and you can say it as few or as many times as you like. You can even atune your body rhythm to it: breathing in, whisper 'Lord Jesus Christ,' then breathing out, whisper, 'Son of God,' then breathing in 'have mercy on me,' then out 'a sinner.' You can even then match that to the beating of your heart.

(There's a tiny classic of Russian spirituality written all about a man's journey to faith through this prayer, called The Way of the Pilgrim)

I use it both to warm myself up before the morning and evening prayers. It's also helpful to meditate on while you are trying to get to sleep at might, or even while you're just going through the day and need to find the whisper of God somewhere deep inside you. I'll tell ya, it's gotten me through a lot of hard days.

I'd also highly recommend a little spiritual classed called Beginning to Pray, by Anthony Bloom. It was very useful in understanding not just how to pray when you feel inspired too, but how to let prayer work you through those times when God seems bitterly absent.

Anyway, I hope this helps. I used to have a really difficult time praying, but getting some structure did help. I'm no expert on prayer, but I have grown to love the time on my knees.
 
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My prayer life is often lacking truth be told. :blush: I try to pray before bed and when I get up in the morning. And I pray throughout the day for various things that come up. Thing is that the Bible says we're to pray all the time. And we're not supposed to pray with "vain repetitions". Rather, to pray like Jesus did. He prayed often...:) His prayer is so well known I would say most of us know it by heart!

But anyway, I'm still working on this discipline in my life. :)
 
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I live in a monastery/seminary, so yes!
We have morning prayer just before our day begins.
Then Mass. Then Evening prayer. Then night prayer on our own before we sleep. It is very structured. It is based on the old jewish prayers. 3 to 7 times a day they would read the Psalms. Our prayer looks like this:
http://www.universalis.com/lauds.htm (today's morning prayer)

Mass has structured prayer, with spontaneous prayer mixed in. Readings change for each day.

Finally, I like to spend an hour or so doing personal prayer. Reading (bible), rosary, meditation, whatever.
 
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And I pray throughout the day for various things that come up. Thing is that the Bible says we're to pray all the time. And we're not supposed to pray with "vain repetitions". Rather, to pray like Jesus did. He prayed often...:)

Right- vain repetitions are wrong because they are done for the sake of appearances. But we shouldn't confuse that with good repetitious prayer.

Spontaneous prayer is great in that it allows us to express to God our feelings and our mind more fully. But structured prayer is useful in enabling us to shape our mind and feelings to our prayer.
 
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a note on vain repetitions, SA had it pretty well, but I wanted to offer some additional comments.

vain repetitions is connected to the idea that the people praying vain repetitions thought God heard them because of their many words.

This doesn't mean that all repition is bad. It means there are bad reasons for using repititions.

relating to what SA said, one aspect of this is people who pray publically and have to give long wordy prayers in order to appear holy.
Now, there are, of course, occasions to pray publically, but you should always check your reasons for how you pray etc.

Another aspect is the idea that you have to engage in long wordy or repetitious prayer in order for God to hear you, or to make your prayers more effective etc.

Those are faulty ideas, and they are what Jesus is talking about.

Most of the good reasons for using repetition, in my opinion, have to do with learning discipline. just as structure is necessary for discipline, so is repitition. Often physical life is an analogy for spiritual life... if you look at physical exercise, it is all about repetition. I have never seen, nor can I even imagine an effective exercise 'routine' that does not involve repetition.

In order to discipline our minds to pray, to pray without ceasing, to be turned to God always etc, repetition is useful, and I might say even indispensable.

In addition to that, using a pre-scripted prayer, which many people consider to be 'repetition' is a good way to sort of break the ice and get your mind refocused on God from being focused on daily life etc.

I think that extemporaneous, conversational prayer is also indispensible, but I don't think the two are mutually exclusive at all.
 
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I live in a monastery/seminary, so yes!
We have morning prayer just before our days begins.
Then Mass. Then Evening prayer. Then night prayer on our own before we sleep. It is very structured. It is based on the old jewish prayers. 3 to 7 times a day they would read the Psalms. Our prayer looks like this:
http://www.universalis.com/lauds.htm (today's morning prayer)

Mass has structured prayer, with spontaneous prayer mixed in. Readings change for each day.

Finally, I like to spend an hour or so doing person prayer. Reading (bible), rosary, meditation, whatever.

That's alot of prayer...;)


As for me...I know I should buckle myself down and be more focused on prayer. Most of my prayers are done while driving to work cause I actually speak aloud while saying them. I do it after the kids are gone so they don't hear me say things like "Lord don't let me kill him today". :D Anyway, I also pray at night before I go to sleep. The problem I have is my mind tends to wonder. Before I know it, I'm thinking about what's for dinner the next night. I really don't know how it ends up like that but it does...Kooky huh? :)
 
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Lamb have noticed that, too, about the mind wandering. That's why I was wondering about reading the Bible before... cos surely doing both in conjunction helps us to focus better?

That's another thing, do you pray out loud, or silently?
 
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Lamb have noticed that, too, about the mind wandering. That's why I was wondering about reading the Bible before... cos surely doing both in conjunction helps us to focus better?

That's another thing, do you pray out loud, or silently?


Awhile back ago, I had a friend suggest that I right my prayers down to stay focused. I'm thinking that I need to get back into doing that. Maybe I'll do it on the computer cause I can type as fast as I think....and yes...I mean fast not slow...:p
 
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The issue of the mind wandering is something everyone encounters.

For the mind, focusing is like exercise... think of focus as the mental equivalent of jogging, or maybe weight lifting.

Training youself to think in certain ways is mental exercise as well.. but training yourself to focus is probably the most basic, and sometimes the hardest.

There is no magic bullet that if you simply do it right, suddenly you'll be able to focus easily (at least I've never found one).
You simple have to start trying to do it and stick to it.

One tool to help you learn to focus is to use a word, or a phrase designed to return your focus to whatever topic you are focusing on.

Eastern meditation techniques often use this, and as a result it has gotten some what of a bad rap in modern Christian groups, but there isn't anything really mystical about it, or magical. It is nothing more than a tool to assist in directing your thoughts.

For example.. I'm sitting praying and suddenly I find I'm not actually praying anymore, but rather I'm going over the football game from the day before. Once your mind wanders like this it can be hard to get it back on track because it quickly becomes scattered.. so choose a word or a phrase before hand to focus your attention again.

So my mind gets distracted and scattered, when I realize this, I think, or say "God is love", or "Jesus Christ is Lord"... personally one I tend to use is called the Jesus prayer
"Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner."

The point of this is simply to calm your mind down from its sudden racing thoughts and to return your focus to whatever it was you were praying about, or meditating on.
 
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Lamb have noticed that, too, about the mind wandering. That's why I was wondering about reading the Bible before... cos surely doing both in conjunction helps us to focus better?

That's another thing, do you pray out loud, or silently?
That's why the Lectio Divina and the Prayer of the Heart come in so handy.
 
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I try an make sure I pray at night before bed regardless of anythin else, but I do talk to the Lord off an on through out the day, before I read the bible I say a lil prayer that God would make me receptive to whatever He's tryin to show me an soften my heart an shut my brain up long enough to listen to Him.

I do not act as if god is some distant thin er creature that I havta jump through a bunch of whoops to talk to, He's closer then a brother to me an my friend, God has called me friend so in that respect I talk to Him jes as I would talk to anyone else.
 
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