Prayer Language?

[rural_preacher]

Is this an unutterable prayer language or speaking in tongues or something else?

What do you think?

Romans 8:23-27
"Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body. For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees? But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance. Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God."

 

[ZiSunka]

I think we just covered this last week. Let me check.

Yep, here it is. This thread covers prayer language along with speaking in tongues:
http://www.christianforums.com/t1133006-what-do-baptists-believe-about-speaking-in-tongues.html

It probably means that the Spirit is praying for us in a language we don't understand and sounds like groanings to us, but is a real language to Him. It doesn't that WE speak in an unutterable language, but that the Spirit does.

 

[@@Paul@@]

Is this an unutterable prayer language or speaking in tongues or something else?

What do you think?

Romans 8:23-27
"Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body. For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees? But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance. Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God."

Here's an odd thought... "the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered"........ If it can not be uttered, how can it even be considered a "language"?

Mat 6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.​

I think it's simply implying that we don't know what's good for us (I'll ask for a Hummer when i should be asking for Humility) >> but the Father knows, maybe because the Spirit interceeds on our behalf.

 

[rural_preacher]

I think we just covered this last week. Let me check.

Yep, here it is. This thread covers prayer language along with speaking in tongues:
http://www.christianforums.com/t1133006-what-do-baptists-believe-about-speaking-in-tongues.html

It probably means that the Spirit is praying for us in a language we don't understand and sounds like groanings to us, but is a real language to Him. It doesn't that WE speak in an unutterable language, but that the Spirit does.

Yes, I contributed to that thread last week. That was an excellent discussion. However, my question is specific to the referenced passage. What exactly is the "groaning"? It is not just the Spirit that groans. verse 23 says that we "groan inwardly". Then verse 26 says "Likewise the Spirit also helps" and "groans". In fact, verse 22 (not previously quoted) says that "the whole creation groans".

I wonder if maybe we take the "practice" of our faith too lightly in these modern times. Do we groan as we ought? Are we really distressed by the sin that so easily besets us (Heb. 12:1)? Do we communion so intimately with the Spirit that our groanings and His are in harmony? Or do we say our "prayers" and continue to work in our own strength and carry our own burdens?

My heart's desire is to groan more...to understand this groaning in a deeper, more personal way...to have a more intimate oneness with the Holy Spirit.

I praise God that I am, by His grace, growing in my walk with Him. The excitement I have when I stand in the pulpit to preach and the burden I have for the people in my congregation to whom I am preaching is something that I cannot express with words.

Do not be content with an "academic" Christianity. Seek after that groaning...that intimate communion with the Spirit of God.

 

[John 15:13]

http://home.mindspring.com/~apostle2/pentquot.htm

this link might help you research. just a starter...

Tozer, Luther, Quakers....St. Augustine actually had people prepared for burial raised from the dead before his eyes. Once it happened, and when the guy stood up, the church praise was so loud that some people had to cover their ears. People just fell to the floor everywhere worshipping.

Everyone I know that has a prayer language received it from a pattern of worship that that was transforming. I worshipped almost every night for a couple of weeks. I don't know what came over me but I just sensed a desire to worship like never before. Soon, I began to repent and cry uncontrollably. I didn't care who was watching because I felt something so strong that it was like I was worshipping God with all of my strength and then some.

Then it came. Don't know where from. Don't know what I did (or didn't do for that matter) to deserve it. But it came.

By the way rural_preacher, have you found yourself in deeper worship lately?
just wondering...because if you're inquiring about the "language of angels" and asking because the Holy Spirit is beckoning you, it's about to happen to you....

just a thought

 

[@@Paul@@]

Ack!!

 

[John 15:13]

My heart's desire is to groan more...to understand this groaning in a deeper, more personal way...to have a more intimate oneness with the Holy Spirit.

I praise God that I am, by His grace, growing in my walk with Him. The excitement I have when I stand in the pulpit to preach and the burden I have for the people in my congregation to whom I am preaching is something that I cannot express with words.

Do not be content with an "academic" Christianity. Seek after that groaning...that intimate communion with the Spirit of God.

I didn't even read your whole post! Wow. When I finished writing to you, the Holy Spirit gripped me and I began to worship and thank God for you. If you desire God's presence like you say, I can assure you that it's no mistake that you posted here.

Follow the Old Testament Tabernacle model for prayer and you'll be filled with the Holy Spirit in no time. What you have had is "visitation". There comes a time when God calls us all to a higher level of his presence. What the Holy Spirit is asking you is this: "Do you want "habitation"". "Do you really want to know what it's like to be in my presence?" Then worship.

rural_preacher, if you want to see a great power point presentation on the O.T. Tabernacle model for worship, I will give it to you. Just ask. PM me or something.

 

[ZiSunka]

Yes, I contributed to that thread last week. That was an excellent discussion. However, my question is specific to the referenced passage. What exactly is the "groaning"? It is not just the Spirit that groans. verse 23 says that we "groan inwardly". Then verse 26 says "Likewise the Spirit also helps" and "groans". In fact, verse 22 (not previously quoted) says that "the whole creation groans".

I wonder if maybe we take the "practice" of our faith too lightly in these modern times. Do we groan as we ought? Are we really distressed by the sin that so easily besets us (Heb. 12:1)? Do we communion so intimately with the Spirit that our groanings and His are in harmony? Or do we say our "prayers" and continue to work in our own strength and carry our own burdens?

My heart's desire is to groan more...to understand this groaning in a deeper, more personal way...to have a more intimate oneness with the Holy Spirit.

I praise God that I am, by His grace, growing in my walk with Him. The excitement I have when I stand in the pulpit to preach and the burden I have for the people in my congregation to whom I am preaching is something that I cannot express with words.

Do not be content with an "academic" Christianity. Seek after that groaning...that intimate communion with the Spirit of God.

I groan. It is a difficult way to live, groaning. It is painful and heartbreaking and depressing, but it is part of the Christian life, and you are right, we don't do much of it around here. We tend to like to speak the upbeat worship songs, but not the groanings that come from being a follower of Christ who knows the pain of the world and the burning desire to introduce the hurting people to Him.

 

[rural_preacher]

I groan. It is a difficult way to live, groaning. It is painful and heartbreaking and depressing, but it is part of the Christian life, and you are right, we don't do much of it around here. We tend to like to speak the upbeat worship songs, but not the groanings that come from being a follower of Christ who knows the pain of the world and the burning desire to introduce the hurting people to Him.

AMEN!

 

[QustantinahQuaker]

I don't know what language people are speaking in when they speak in tonges but when I pray it's usually in Arabic. I pray how I think. But I think if the spirt moves you to speak ion tounges, go for it!

 

[CFoster]

Amen! Groan in me Holy Spirit!

 

[SonOfThunder]

Romans 8:23-27
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
Romans 8:23-27
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
Romans 8:23-27
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it


We do groan, all of us have thought "come, come" and make it snappy..

sometimes our groanings come from meditating on Scripture while we wrestle with the 'world'.

sometimes we lack words to fit our Spiritual 'place' Its great for me to know that the Spirit takes over in my weakness and on my behalf.

I don't know the language, nor how it is done but give thanks.


James

 

[mesue]

... What exactly is the "groaning"? ...

Have you never been so speachless that you don't know what to pray but you know you need the Lord right now? Like when I perforated my bowel, I thought I was going to die and the only think I could muster to say, in a groaning voice was "Lord ... my girls ..." I could do nor say no more. The Holy Spirit prayed on my behalf.

 

[daveleau]

Is this an unutterable prayer language or speaking in tongues or something else?

What do you think?

Romans 8:23-27
"Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body. For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees? But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance. Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God."

It is not speaking in tongues because it is talking about the Holy Spirit's intercession and internal factors, not speaking in tongues. It is not a prayer language, because Creation does not pray and reading the entire context of this passage shows that Creation groans as well. Creation and man groan (yearn) for reunification with God. It is the yearning to be with Him- to stop the separation that sin has caused. In regards to the second half of your bolded types, we do not know what to pray for because we do not know the big picture that is God's will, so the Holy Spirit intercedes from within us for God's Will despite our often self-guided prayers.

God bless,
Dave

 

[rural_preacher]

It is obviously not speaking in tongues because it is talking about the Holy Spirit's intercession and internal factors, not speaking in tongues. It is not a prayer language, because Creation does not pray and reading the entire context of this passage shows that Creation groans as well. Creation and man groan (yearn) for reunification with God. It is the yearning to be with Him- to stop the separation that sin has caused. In regards to the second half of your bolded types, we do not know what to pray for because we do not know the big picture that is God's will, so the Holy Spirit intercedes from within us for God's Will despite our often self-guided prayers.

God bless,
Dave

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[daveleau]

lol, I tried to take the edge off the post after rereading, which I often do. I took out the "obviously" part, but you caught me before I posted the edit.