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Yes, this is an interesting development, but I fear I shall still be an outsider, being Reformed/Calvinistic. Indeed, we're still at odds with most protestants and nondenominationals. 
Oh well, you can't please all the people all the time.
Oh well, you can't please all the people all the time.
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coastie
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Humble,
Never brother!
We are all brothers and sisters in Christ whether you are Catholic, Lutheran, AOG, Pentecostal, Calvinist or non-denominational.
We all need to see beyond the lines and boundaries set by men and love each other as God has called us to do. Are you a Christian?
Then you are my brother!
God Bless
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Never brother!
We are all brothers and sisters in Christ whether you are Catholic, Lutheran, AOG, Pentecostal, Calvinist or non-denominational.
We all need to see beyond the lines and boundaries set by men and love each other as God has called us to do. Are you a Christian?
Then you are my brother!
God Bless
Zach
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coastie, that is a much appreciated sentiment. I know that there are many protestants and nondenominationals that share your views. 
However, it seems to me, from certain posts against my beliefs, that there is sometimes a rift between Reformers and mainstream protestant & nondenominational Christians. For instance, there's the whopping issue of Predestination/Election. Those that debate with Reformers must understand that our ideas on this issue permeate every aspect of our beliefs. The five points of Calvinism are interdependent. I would say that it's roughly equivalent in importance to the Eucharist for Catholics. And like the Catholics' Eucharist, I have been been bashed at times for my Calvinistic beliefs.
However, it seems to me, from certain posts against my beliefs, that there is sometimes a rift between Reformers and mainstream protestant & nondenominational Christians. For instance, there's the whopping issue of Predestination/Election. Those that debate with Reformers must understand that our ideas on this issue permeate every aspect of our beliefs. The five points of Calvinism are interdependent. I would say that it's roughly equivalent in importance to the Eucharist for Catholics. And like the Catholics' Eucharist, I have been been bashed at times for my Calvinistic beliefs.
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Originally posted by humblejoe
Yes, this is an interesting development, but I fear I shall still be an outsider, being Reformed/Calvinistic. Indeed, we're still at odds with most protestants and nondenominationals.
Oh well, you can't please all the people all the time.
I can disagree with you without hating you. Amazing, innit?
If anyone ever harasses you, drop me a line and point me at the thread. I'll stick up for you.
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Well, there was that one thread where someone stated that Calvinism is satanic, but it got deleted, thankfully. Thanks for the offer though!
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Whether I disagree with your particular Christian doctrine or not is not important to your salvation.
However, I will debate and discuss doctrine with you, but that cannot get in the way of brotherly appreciation.
However, I will debate and discuss doctrine with you, but that cannot get in the way of brotherly appreciation.
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Good point about the Reformers. So aren't Reformers considered part of the Protestant movement??? I may have to amend the title of this forum.
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Thank you Erwin for so kindly creating this forum. It was your choice and a good one in my opinion.
God Bless you.
God Bless you.
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There are the liberal reformers who believe the Bible is only a guide rather than the infalible word of God. They say they believe it is inspired but flawed.
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1COR 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
1COR 1:11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
1COR 1:12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
1COR 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
Just some of God's word
1COR 1:11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
1COR 1:12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
1COR 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
Just some of God's word
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Originally posted by humblejoe
Yes, this is an interesting development, but I fear I shall still be an outsider, being Reformed/Calvinistic. Indeed, we're still at odds with most protestants and nondenominationals.
Oh well, you can't please all the people all the time.
I have added "Reformed" to the title of this forum.
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Thanks for your consideration Erwin, it is much appreciated. Yes, Reformers are protestants, but if you talk honestly with any serious 5-pointer, you will discover that we believe that we have a definitely different viewpoint compared to mainstream protestants & nondenominationals. We use two terms to distinguish the differences we have: Arminian and Reformed. In short, Reformed takes a very strong position on Predestination/Election. You can usually tell whether or not a person is a true Reformer from the way they conduct their debates; that is why I said "Those that debate with Reformers must understand that our ideas on this issue permeate every aspect of our beliefs.".
Again, thank you Erwin for supporting the Reformed community! You've truly been nothing but the most gracious of administrators!
Again, thank you Erwin for supporting the Reformed community! You've truly been nothing but the most gracious of administrators!
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In short, Reformed takes a very strong position on Predestination/Election.
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joe,
I used to debate at a forum that was runned by 5-pt Calvinists. The one thing I found "terribly wrong" with their doctrine was that they believed in Limited Atonement. ie Christ did not shed his blood for all men but only for those whom he predestinated, ie Jesus did not die for those who would end up in hell. Is this what you believe too? I'm not looking to start a debate here.
The other thing I found disturbing was that they were extremely "loyal" to their branding as "Calvinists". I find this similar to the Catholics. In a sense, it was "I am first a Calvinist, then a Christian". Or "I'd rather be distinguished as a Calvinist then a Christian". Then they started labelling everyone who was not a 5-pt Calvinist, calling them Arminians, 3-pt Arminians, etc, not that any of us cared what they meant. I hope u see my point, -- they became obsessed with labelling.
Perhaps you are different, I dont know. I hope so.
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joe,
I used to debate at a forum that was runned by 5-pt Calvinists. The one thing I found "terribly wrong" with their doctrine was that they believed in Limited Atonement. ie Christ did not shed his blood for all men but only for those whom he predestinated, ie Jesus did not die for those who would end up in hell. Is this what you believe too? I'm not looking to start a debate here.
The other thing I found disturbing was that they were extremely "loyal" to their branding as "Calvinists". I find this similar to the Catholics. In a sense, it was "I am first a Calvinist, then a Christian". Or "I'd rather be distinguished as a Calvinist then a Christian". Then they started labelling everyone who was not a 5-pt Calvinist, calling them Arminians, 3-pt Arminians, etc, not that any of us cared what they meant. I hope u see my point, -- they became obsessed with labelling.
Perhaps you are different, I dont know.
I hope so.
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Yes, Andrew, that is Limited Atonement, the third point of Calvinism according to the TULIP anagram. I do believe in this doctrine as every true Calvinist does.
The other thing I found disturbing was that they were extremely "loyal" to their branding as "Calvinists". I find this similar to the Catholics. In a sense, it was "I am first a Calvinist, then a Christian". Or "I'd rather be distinguished as a Calvinist then a Christian". Then they started labelling everyone who was not a 5-pt Calvinist, calling them Arminians, 3-pt Arminians, etc, not that any of us cared what they meant. I hope u see my point, -- they became obsessed with labelling.
Perhaps you are different, I dont know.
Well, I am very dedicated to my title of Calvinist, and let me explain why. I am very glad to know that I adhere to this doctrine because I believe it to be the most Biblical of doctrines. Of course every Calvinist fully acknowledges and accepts the title of Christian. We take the title of Christian as a given, and therefore move on to doctrinal identity. You have to understand that we feel as though we are fighting against a wide spread "other gospel", or at least an extremely prevalent erred concept of the true gospel. Arminianism is an extremely prevalent force in not just the US, but all over the world. We see it as our personal responsibility to first, spread the true gospel, but then to also eradicate the indoctrinal beliefs of Arminianism. The use of such labels as "3 point Arminian" help us to identify and explain why we disagree with others' doctrinal beliefs. As far as labels go, we are not "obsessed with labelling", we are obsessed with scriptural and doctrinal truth.
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I am very glad to know that I adhere to this doctrine because I believe it to be the most Biblical of doctrines.
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So are you saying Calvinism is almost perfect and "better" than all other protestant doctrines?
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So are you saying Calvinism is almost perfect and "better" than all other protestant doctrines?
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