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your thoughts and opinions and convictions? if possible, use a Bible verse to back up your standpoint

this applies to what is being sang in the church, youth groups, and what you listen to every day such as if praise music is okay while yer in yer car driving
 

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Praise music is good as long as it is correct theologically and is in thorough consideration of the right relationship between God and man. It is probably best when the songs have to do with the sermon, and since the sermon should be an exposition of the biblical text, the songs would cover a variety of themes throughout the services as the preaching pastor preaches through the Bible. The songs would not only be about how much Jesus loves us, but in consideration of his love, how he rules over us, intercedes for us, comforts us, disciplines us, etc., would also be included. Also, it probably wouldn't be appropriate to sing a song about your boyfriend Jesus in which you frivolously chant his name a hundred times when the sermon text deals with an honest, deep, and real reflection on the glorious person and work of Jesus. I don't know of any "proof texts" that I could use here, because although the Bible speaks of everything in the universe, it does not speak of it all directly. I wouldn't know where to start giving individual texts that tell us how we ought to act as Christians and how we ought to worship, as the whole Bible, in a sense, is that body of text. We do still have the most vast and perfect resource to draw upon for the way we think and act. In coming before God rightly in worship, we must consider the whole counsel of God, his entire Word and what he speaks to our present situation, directly or indirectly. I do know that at all times we must act in faith by the fact that we are rebellious sinners deserving of death, but God has had mercy on us by the substitutionary death and resurrection of his Son, Jesus.

Hope that contributes somehow, although I may have not answered the question in such a way as you were looking for. May God bless you as you consider these things.

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I find that so much so-called 'praise' music is just thoughtless repetition, designed only to appeal to our natural minds. Words like "Jesus loves me, yeah, Jesus loves me, oh yeah, Jesus loves me...etc etc" seem pointless - there is no praise there at all.

I prefer the good old hymns!

Peter
 
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johan777 said:
Wow, what a fleeting statement. Don't you think you should tell us why you think this way and back it up with some scripture?
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It is because the church in Acts was not recorded as singing during worship, just like they weren't recorded as painting their church walls, going to the bathroom in church, using microphones and electrical equipment, reading from the KJV and thousands of other things AV1611's church probably does.
 
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well what about those who actually mean the words when they sing the praise songs like when people mean singing the hymn songs?

why wouldnt praise music belong in a church? scripture backup?

why would or wouldnt praise music be okay outside of church like in your car or at home?
 
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Praise music may not belong in AV1611's church, but it sure does in mine and we worship the same risen Savior, Jesus. Also, Gold Dragon made a valid point, but here is my take on praise and worship music.

I think it's an absolute must in the church. I'm not all for these repetative songs because it seems like we are just trying to drive the name of Jesus into someone's head, but as for songs that truly call out praise and worship to our Lord, I'm in love with them. In our services its amazing how God works through our praise team, which I am on, and just ignites the service. His Holy fire rains down on us and it's almost indescribable of how His presence just overwhelms us. We are definitely not afraid to worship our Lord and I think He blesses us for that. Mind you the music is not what's important, its the presence of the Lord and the reading of His word. Music plays only a small role, but still an important one, because we will praise our Lord with music.

Some verses that call out to me about praise music are these. I know some will argue, but I'm used to that. ;)

John 4: 23-24, "But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshippers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."

1st Corinthians 10:31, "Therefore, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all for the glory of God."

Psalm 150, "Praise the Lord! Praise God in His sanctuary; Praise Him in His mighty firmament! Praise Him for His mighty acts; Praise Him according to His excellent greatness! Praise Him with the sound of the trumpet; Praise Him with the lute and harp! Praise Him with the timbrel and dance; Praise Him with stringed instruments and flutes! Praise Him with loud cymbals; Praise Him with clashing cymbals! Let everything that has breath praise the LORD. Praise the LORD!" (*Note, I did not add the exclamation points, I wrote it word for word of how it is in the Bible.*)

I know some might argue with Psalm 150 because it's part of the Old Testament, but my opinion is get over it, the Old Testament is part of the Bible just like the New Testament is. :)
 
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Sword-In-Hand said:
Also, Gold Dragon made a valid point, but here is my take on praise and worship music.
I hope nobody misinterpreted me to think that I am opposed to music in church. There are many churches like AV1611's that use the statement "the early church was not recorded as doing it" as their justification for prohibiting an otherwise unprohibited activity. I find that reasoning to be completely ridiculous.
 
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Monica02 said:
What exactly is praise and worship music? How is it different than hymns? Is it similar to sung prayer such as the Ave Maria or the Chaplet of Divine Mercy (not the content, I know Baptists would not pray these- but similar in idea)? Psalm singing?

I just can't tell you the last time I heard "Ave Maria" sung in a Mennonite church :) Pretty song though!

Typically praise and worship music is like what you might find on a WOW CD

I could sing of your love forever
Lord I lift your name on high
I love you Lord
Victory in the Camp


I love the old hymns I truely do and can play a whole boat load of them both traditional and in a Memphis blues kind of thing.

I love the more modern songs too.

From Scripture

Psa 33:2 Praise the LORD with harp: sing unto him with the psaltery and an instrument of ten strings.

OK when this was written the psalter (book of psalms) was written and sung in Hebrew Most likely in a minor key.

Very different than say the great works of faith in the Renesance
or the catchy hymns from the 1800's

Music has moved on too.

The command is still the same and that is to turn your voice and your joy towards G-d

Tradition for traditions sake is not worship


Pastor George
 
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Forgive my ignorance. Is praise and worship music unique in its words or instumentation? I really do not know what you mean by "progressive". I am not a musician. Is it a style of music, such as rock or jazz or classical? Does it take the place of sermons or scripture reading? Do peole have objections to it because it sounds bad or because the words are not Christian enough? I know I am alll over the place with these questions, sorry.
 
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johan777 said:
Wow, what a fleeting statement. Don't you think you should tell us why you think this way and back it up with some scripture?
Johan
In the NT church there were no musical intruments used. Secondly,

Ephesians 5:19 "Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;"

Colossians 3:16 "Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord."

No where is praise and worship music condoned.
 
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One of the natural traits of a truly righteous person should be the giving of praise to God. The Psalmist says, "Rejoice in the LORD, 0 ye righteous; For praise is comely for the upright." (Psalm 33:1). This word "comely" in the Hebrew language means, "suitable", "beautiful" and "becoming". Offering praise unto God should be a big part of the daily spiritual experience of the righteous. The definition of the word "praise" means "to set a price on", or "to commend the worth of, to express approval or admiration of, to laud the glory of, to extol". To the righteous, praise is our response to God for what He has done.

In the Hebrew language, according to the Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance, there are several different words that were translated into the one English word praise. They all express the same idea, but with a slightly different thought according to the context.

The title of Psalm 145(Strong’s #8416) denotes "laudation as by song". The word praise, as used in Psalm 145:2 concerning God’s name, means "to celebrate and boast" (#1984) because of the many victories that have been won in His name.

In Psalm 145:4, the word praise, in connection with God’s works means "to commend" (#7623). The writer says that one generation shall praise God’s works and declare His mighty acts to the next generation. Many times in Israel’s history the people were admonished by God to tell their children of His wondrous works in delivering them from Egyptian bondage and of their supernatural preservation in the wilderness. This trait of transmitting Christian faith to each succeeding generation is one that the Lord said was resident within the genes of Abraham (Genesis 18:19). Surely, with deep gratitude we should be thankful that our parents commended and even recommended the works of God, extending from creation to the regenerative work of Christ on the cross for us, so that this flame of righteousness may be kept alive in the earth.

In the book of Hebrews, the writer is quoting the Psalmist David (Psalm 22:22) in reference to Jesus Christ as saying, "in the midst of the church [or congregation] will I sing praise unto thee" (Hebrews 2:12). The word praise in this verse means "to sing a hymn" in order to make known to the congregation of Israel the purpose and plan that the Heavenly Father has in store for the congregation.

We see according to the record in the Scriptures that there have been many different ways in which our Israelite forefathers have praised God. They praised Him with their vocal cords: "I will greatly praise the LORD with my mouth; . . ." (Psalm 109:30); they praised Him with uplifted hands: "Lift up your hands in the sanctuary, and bless the LORD." (Psalm 134:2); and praised Him by clapping: "0 clap your hands, all ye people; . . ." (Psalm 47:1). We also read where the children of Israel are admonished to praise God with a variety of musical instruments (Psalm 150); by dancing (Psalm 149:3, 150:4), while standing in the House of the LORD (Psalm 135:2) and while lying down in the bed (Psalm 149:5).

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Praise Him with the sound of the trumpet; praise Him with the psaltery and harp. Praise Him with the timbrel and dance; praise Him with stringed instruments and organs" (Psalm 150:3-4).



Since Bible times, music has always been an integral part of communing between God and His people. There are many examples of music in the Scriptures. Exodus 15:1-21, is an entire song by Moses and the Israelites recounting their divine victory over the Egyptians who were swallowed up in the Red Sea. King David, who was known as the "sweet psalmist of Israel" (2 Samuel 23:1), was skilled at playing the harp. During his lifetime, he wrote many songs (psalms) to praise the Lord. Psalm 18 is an entire song devoted to David's deliverance from King Saul. Even Jesus and the disciples sung a hymn after the Passover meal before the Lord's arrest in the Garden of Gethsemane. (See Matthew 26:30 and Mark 14:26.) The New Testament also commands us to sing unto the Lord, by stating, "Is any merry? Let him sing psalms" (James 5:13). Again, Ephesians 5:19 encourages believers to be filled with the Spirit while "Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord." These are merely a few examples. Songs and music in God's Word are enormous subjects! It is our desire to be like the Saints of the Bible and certainly to follow after the example of our Savior. As a result, praise and worship to the Lord is a vital part of every Living Word Church meeting. During this time, God the Father is honored, Jesus Christ is glorified, and the Holy Spirit moves in a mighty way to bring healing, comfort, quickening, and encouragement to those who worship Him in Spirit and in Truth (John 4:23-24). Music plays a vital role as a vehicle for praise and worship. The worship and praise in the assembly helps us to prepare our hearts when we come to meet with the Lord. Not only does the Lord receive the praise and honor that He deserves from His people during this time, but the congregation receives strength and joy as well when we praise His holy name.

http://www.worshipmusic.com/0938612409.html
 
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AV1611 said:
In the NT church there were no musical intruments used. Secondly,

Ephesians 5:19 "Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;"

Colossians 3:16 "Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord."

No where is praise and worship music condoned.
Yupp Thats right by golly and know what else isn't mentioned?

Lets look at the Tanach (Old Testement) for a moment:
1Sa 24:3 He came to the sheep pens by the way, where was a cave; and Sha'ul went in to relieve himself. Now David and his men were abiding in the innermost parts of the cave.

So apparently going to the bathroom was acceptable in old testement times. I mean since it is mentioned and all.

However my research has revealed that NO WHERE in the New Testement does any one go to the bathroom. Nope not one time is it mentioned or even encouraged.

Henceforth all good men and wommen of the faith should imediately stop going to the bathroom. I have personally locked the toilet in the church and there will be no more of this unseemly and unscriptural activity in my church or in my home.


psssssst

Just because something is not specifically mentioned in the Brit Chadassa (New Testement) doesn't mean it wasn't a common practice nor that it is ungodly.

Blessings

Pastor George:wave:
 
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