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You do sound very unsure about your theology.
If you were sure about your theology, instead of all the evasion and obfuscation you should be able to give me a yes or no answer to this:
Does your theology hold me responsible for things beyond my control, such as belief?
Cool. Now, in this post, you refered to your hypothetical diety as "the ulitmate judge".
For what would I be judged, if not what I believe?
Ah, it´s obvious.Assuming you would be judged by an all authority God, I think it's obvious that you'd be judged for believing the lie that He is not real.
isnt that a logical conclusion if we assume an all authoritative God is real?
Please explain.
There is nothing in your premise that leads logically to your conclusion. It's a non sequitur.
eudaimonia,
Mark
Is that because you refuse to assume that God can have the highest authority? Because if we assume that, then my logic does make sense.
Let's assume I'm the highest authority in existence.No, I'm not saying that. I'm judging the logic of what you had written, not saying whether or not I agree with your premise.
I'm saying that God being the highest authority does not logically lead to the conclusion that "you'd be judged for believing the lie that He is not real."
That's a non sequitur. There's nothing in the premise that makes the conclusion inevitable on logical grounds.
eudaimonia,
Mark
If I'm the highest authority in existence and my only goal is to give eternal life to all my creation and I see there are some of my created beings who use their free will to insist I'm not real even though I've tried and tried to convince them that I am real, don't you think that's going to upset me and cause me to take action on these created beings in an attempt to convince them?
No, it doesn't. It would make you a vain and petty deity.
There is no logical reason why God would have to be that way or take such action.
eudaimonia,
Mark
Logically, false dichotomies would not exist where there is only truth.
Is it really vein and petty to want to give eternal life free from evil to all creation?
Of course not, but that's not something logically implicit in God being authoritative. If God is an authority on morality and justice, all God has to do is make it reasonably obvious what justice and morality mean in terms of human life. There is no need to believe that God exists.
And if God wants to make people believe in his existence, it should be pretty easy. Jesus has an open invite to join me for coffee and cinnamon buns at any reasonable daylight hour. All he has to do is to "poof" into my living room. I would be suitably impressed.
If this is what you mean by "drastic action", I'm all for it.
eudaimonia,
Mark
Did you not just say that I would not be judged for things beyond my control?Assuming you would be judged by an all authority God, I think it's obvious that you'd be judged for believing the lie that He is not real.
That would be possible, but if Jesus poofed into your living room and convinced you to believe and told you to go tell everyone, would you expect an atheist to believe you?
No, it´s not a logical conclusion. In order for it to be a logical conclusion, there´d have to be some unspoken premises or steps in your deduction.isnt that a logical conclusion if we assume an all authoritative God is real?
Well, firstly I myself wouldn´t know how to tell that it´s Jesus (and not e.g. a Jesus imposter or Satan in disguise). I mean just because the guy looks like the image on a toast doesn´t mean he´s Jesus.That would be possible, but if Jesus poofed into your living room and convinced you to believe and told you to go tell everyone, would you expect an atheist to believe you?
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