Pope Robert (Bob) - vs SDA predictions

[BobRyan]

Today Cardinal Robert Prevost (called Fr Bob apparently - says the new) (69 years old at the writing of this post) - was selected to be the new Pope (Leon 14th) XIV

That makes news because Robert is the first American Pope.

For over 150 years the Seventh-day Adventist church understood the book of Revelation as predicting a close - almost joined-at-the-hip relationship between Protestant America and the Vatican/Catholic Church would exist right near/at the end of time.

We also said that "the closing events would be rapid ones"

Something few if any Christian groups were predicting in the 1800's or 1900's

Our predictions went far beyond even what we see today - but what we did not predict is that the Pope himself would be an American.

So then in this respect - reality is one-up on Adventists.

(On a side note
Question:- who was the first Pope to change from his real name to an assumed name?
Answer: Mercurius in 533 AD changed to John II)

 

[BobRyan]

Pope Francis - as a liberal -- was not a very good fit for the sort of conservative leader of the Catholic church - in the scenario what we find in the book of Revelation. So that was always a question.

But we did find it very interesting that Francis was a Jesuit - so if he had been conservative , American, and a Jesuit I think a lot of articles would have been written beyond anything Adventists had said up to this point.

In any case this new state of things being what they are as of this afternoon -- are very interesting

 

[BobRyan]

A note by Denzel Washington about Seventh-day Adventists and the Investigative Judgment

 

[chevyontheriver]

Today Cardinal Robert Prevost (69 years old at the writing of this post) - was selected to be the new Pope (Leon 14th) XIV

That makes news because Robert is the first American Pope.

For over 150 years the Seventh-day Adventist church understood the book of Revelation as predicting a close - almost joined-at-the-hip relationship between Protestant America and the Vatican/Catholic Church would exist right near/at the end of time.

We also said that "the closing events would be rapid ones"

Something few if any Christian groups were predicting in the 1800's or 1900's

Our predictions went far beyond even what we see today - but what we did not predict is that the Pope himself would be an American.

So then in this respect - reality is one-up on Adventists.

Tell me, does it scare you?

 

[BobRyan]

Tell me, does it scare you?

It informs me

Our predictions based on being informed by Rev 13 - go far beyond today's status

 

[SabbathBlessings]

A note by Denzel Washington about Seventh-day Adventists and the Investigative Judgment

This is AI and I am pretty sure it didn't come from a SDA as they had several things wrong, but did get a few things right.

 

[chevyontheriver]

It informs me

Our predictions based on being informed by Rev 13 - go far beyond today's status

Where does all of this being informed get you?

 

[BobRyan]

Where does all of this being informed get you?

Indeed there is the question -- what in the world good does it do to actually pay attention to what God actually said His Word. Why would someone choose to read the Word of God and be informed just as He planned for His people?

You put your finger right on the heart of the question.

That is the whole point of evangelism, the gospel going to all the world . Jesus said in Matt 28 to go into all the world and tell others the things that God told us.

Jesus said to LOVE Him and to have HIS WORD abide in us. That is exactly what the Holy Spirit wants to do in our life -- if we choose to let Him.

What a wonderful thing the New Covenant Christian life is . By contrast we have Christ's warning in 2 Thess 2 that those who "do not have a love of the truth" are at super high risk of being deceived when it comes right down to the end.

2 Thess 2:
8 Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming; 9 that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, 10 and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. 11 For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, 12 in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.

Since Christ tells us in John 14 that He "IS the Truth" - it is clear we cannot separated Christ FROM that Truth that He shares with us freely.

Praise God.

 

[BobRyan]

This is AI and I am pretty sure it didn't come from a SDA as they had several things wrong, but did get a few things right.

It does not come from SDAs and is actually pretty negative about one or two of our doctrines -- yet curiously it strongly affirms the following
1. The Dan 7 Investigative Judgment
2. The Sabbath
3. What happens when you die.
4. What happens to people that go to hell

 

[chevyontheriver]

Indeed there is the question -- what in the world good does it do to actually pay attention to what God actually said His Word. Why would someone choose to read the Word of God and be informed just as He planned for His people?

You put your finger right on the heart of the question.

That is the whole point of evangelism, the gospel going to all the world . Jesus said in Matt 28 to go into all the world and tell others the things that God told us.

Jesus said to LOVE Him and to have HIS WORD abide in us. That is exactly what the Holy Spirit wants to do in our life -- if we choose to let Him.

What a wonderful thing the New Covenant Christian life is . By contrast we have Christ's warning in 2 Thess 2 that those who "do not have a love of the truth" are at super high risk of being deceived when it comes right down to the end.

2 Thess 2:
8 Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming; 9 that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, 10 and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. 11 For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, 12 in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.

Since Christ tells us in John 14 that He "IS the Truth" - it is clear we cannot separated Christ FROM that Truth that He shares with us freely.

Praise God.

That was a clever turnaround. But the specifics of this thread are about 'pop bob' and SDA predictions. Presumably these are the infallible predictions that we Catholics are going to persecute you any year now, or any day now, or something. I was wondering how the election of pope Leo XIV informs your interpretation of Rev. 13 and how your interpretation of Rev. 13 clues you in on how Protestants are joined at the hip with the Catholic Church. Just go ahead and say it. You don't need to beat around the bush. Tell us what you think God told you about that specifically.

 

[BobRyan]

That was a clever turnaround.

Well you offered a very tiny snip post - to my point that I am informed by what I am reading in scripture.

I said -

It informs me

Our predictions based on being informed by Rev 13 - go far beyond today's status

I think your post went something like --

Where does all of this being informed get you?

Indeed - being informed by God's Word - "gets us" to places HE wants us to go.

But the specifics of this thread are about 'pop bob' and SDA predictions.

I point out 2 things.

1. We have predicted for over 150 years that a close partnership between America and the Vatican would eventually come about
2. But we did not predict that the Pope would actually BE an American

Presumably these are the infallible predictions that we Catholics are going to persecute you any year now, or any day now, or something.

Although there are centuries of history to that effect in Europe in ages past -- it has not been that way so much in America.

I was wondering how the election of pope Leo XIV informs your interpretation of Rev. 13

It emphasizes our much-predicted close partnership between America and the Vatican.

If you go back in history in America - the farther you go back the stronger the anti-vatican sentiment you find. So it is no wonder that 150 years ago - our prediction of close partnership between America and the Vatican was not so well received.

Hint - look up "Pope Stone" 1854 to see how the gap between America and the Vatican was playing out around the time we were predicting close partnership would one day exist.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Well you offered a very tiny snip post - to my point that I am informed by what I am reading in scripture.

I said -



I think your post went something like --

Indeed - being informed by God's Word - "gets us" to places HE wants us to go.



I point out 2 things.

1. We have predicted for over 150 years that a close partnership between America and the Vatican would eventually come about
2. But we did not predict that the Pope would actually BE an American

Although there are centuries of history to that effect in Europe -- it has not been that way so much in America.

It emphasizes our much-predicted close partnership between America and the Vatican.

If you go back in history in America - the farther you go back the stronger the anti-vatican sentiment you find. So it is no wonder that 150 years ago - our prediction of close partnership between America and the Vatican was not so well received.

Hint - look up "Pope Stone" 1854 to see how the gap between America and the Vatican was playing out around the time we were predicting close partnership would one day exist.

You do know that we all sit around after mass with our coffee and donuts and scheme about how best to get the SDA for worshipping on the wrong day. It’s a favorite point of discussion. We’ve got it all figured out.

Honestly I think you guys have inherited a paranoia that you can’t shake because of your view that your founders was inspired. And so an American pope must be eye popping for you.

 

[BobRyan]

You do know that we all sit around after mass with our coffee and donuts and scheme about how best to get the SDA for worshipping on the wrong day.

no I did not know that... but if you say that is what you are doing with your spare time - I will take your word for it.
Thankfully we don't find many other people going around with that statement

 

[reddogs]

Today Cardinal Robert Prevost (called Fr Bob apparently - says the new) (69 years old at the writing of this post) - was selected to be the new Pope (Leon 14th) XIV

That makes news because Robert is the first American Pope.

For over 150 years the Seventh-day Adventist church understood the book of Revelation as predicting a close - almost joined-at-the-hip relationship between Protestant America and the Vatican/Catholic Church would exist right near/at the end of time.

We also said that "the closing events would be rapid ones"

Something few if any Christian groups were predicting in the 1800's or 1900's

Our predictions went far beyond even what we see today - but what we did not predict is that the Pope himself would be an American.

So then in this respect - reality is one-up on Adventists.

(On a side note
Question:- who was the first Pope to change from his real name to an assumed name?
Answer: Mercurius in 533 AD changed to John II)

Look and see what the Popes choosing that name did and that gives some insight on his purpose of mind, to say the least. But with Trump declaring he will unite church and state, we have all the ingredients for the Image of the Beast coming together to say nothing of the implementation of the national Sunday law...

 

[BobRyan]

Look and see what the Popes choosing that name did and that gives some insight on his purpose of mind, to say the least. But with Trump declaring he will unite church and state, we have all the ingredients for the Image of the Beast coming together to say nothing of the implementation of the national Sunday law...

1. Neither Trump nor Pope Bob have asked for a national Sunday Law in America
2. Trump has stated his own confusion over the principle of separation of church and State - but even our own Prophetic predictions do not say that the problem is that an American President takes office that does not have that idea fully sorted out or fails to understand something. We claim it is a move of the nation itself

 

[Tigger Boy]

A note by Denzel Washington about Seventh-day Adventists and the Investigative Judgment

Bob, I lisened to the entire video. Powerful, the message went deep, spoke the truth about our faith. However, I question if it was put out by Denzel. Why do I say this? Two reasons, first it doesn't sound like Denzel. Second, he was baptized into and licensed as a Pentecostal preacher. How can he promote our teachings as truth and at the same time be Pentecostal?

Your thoughts?

 

[Tigger Boy]

Bob, you state in your first post, "For over 150 years the Seventh-day Adventist church understood the book of Revelation as predicting a close - almost joined-at-the-hip relationship between Protestant America and the Vatican/Catholic Church would exist right near/at the end of time."

Bob, are you able to walk me through the prophecies on which we as Adventist base this assertion?