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Pope Innocent IV authorizes torture during the Inquisition.

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The Roman Catholic Pope claims to represent Jesus on earth, if that is true, then on what biblical basis could the practice of torture be authorized by Pope Innocent IV?

Britannica Article: Inquisition

The inquisitorial procedure was quite detailed; but, in general terms, it gave a person suspected of heresy time to confess and absolve himself, and, failing this, the accused was haled before the inquisitor and interrogated and tried, with the testimony of witnesses. The use of torture to obtain confessions and the names of other heretics was at first rejected but was authorized in 1252 by Innocent IV. On admission or conviction of guilt, a person could be sentenced publicly to any of a wide variety of penalties, ranging from simple prayer and fasting to confiscation of property and imprisonment, even life imprisonment. Condemned heretics who refused to recant, as well as those who relapsed after condemnation and repentance, were turned over to the secular arm, which alone could impose the death penalty.

http://www.britannica.com/eb/article 9042485?query=inquisition&ct=eb


Wikpedia Article: Inquisition


Torture was used after 1252. On May 15, Pope Innocent IV issued a papal bull entitled ad extirpanda, which authorized the use of torture by inquisitors. It was a common part of the medieval judicial system and not particular to the inquisition. The torture methods used by inquisitors were mild compared to secular courts, as they were forbidden to use methods that resulted in bloodshed, mutilation or death. One of the most common forms of medieval inquisition torture was known as strappado. The hands were bound behind the back with a rope, and the accused was suspended this way, dislocating the joints painfully in both arms. Weights could be added to the legs dislocating those joints as well.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Inquisition
 

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Hindsight is always 20/20, isn't it.....

Of course I could pose the equally obnoxious question as to why any church with a Biblical grounding chooses the Sabbath over the Lord's Day - as properly understood by all of orthodox Christianity.
 
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Tonks said:
Hindsight is always 20/20, isn't it.....

Of course I could pose the equally obnoxious question as to why any church with a Biblical grounding chooses the Sabbath over the Lord's Day - as properly understood by all of orthodox Christianity.
I love your picture of the Pope!!
 
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If I had a nickle for everytime one part of Christianity looked at another part of Christianity and said "You're people have done bad things!" ... well, I'd have a whole lot of nickles. More than I could count.

And then if I had a dime for everytime that the first person's people could be accused of doing bad things also I could probably drown a small state in all those dimes.

Y'know, it's all about rocks and glass houses and such :cool:
 
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VNVnation said:
If I had a nickle for everytime one part of Christianity looked at another part of Christianity and said "You're people have done bad things!" ... well, I'd have a whole lot of nickles. More than I could count.

And then if I had a dime for everytime that the first person's people could be accused of doing bad things also I could probably drown a small state in all those dimes.

Y'know, it's all about rocks and glass houses and such :cool:


The ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC CHURCH....

More evidence this isn't any human institution...


- Josiah


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More proof that Christ's church are lead by sinners not perfect, holy, robots. I don't really care to really check into the truthfulness of the OP, but that doesn't matter to me.

The Inquisition was a crazy time in church history with bright and not so bright spots. The fact remains, Christ's promise that the gates of hell would never destory His Church remains true.
 
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Even if what any of what the OP cites has some bit of truth to it which it is very doubtful it would... all it shows is man are fallen- big surprise there but we can also see in spite of this that the gates do not prevail. It was the Catholic Church who protected Christianity against heresy after heresy for so many centuries.

If they didn’t, there would be no Church for the Protestants to protest against.
 
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BrightCandle said:
The Roman Catholic Pope claims to represent Jesus on earth, if that is true, then on what biblical basis could the practice of torture be authorized by Pope Innocent IV?

Give us a S

Give us an I

Give us a N

What have we got?
 
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Shelb5 said:
Ah, be Catholic?

We already are...

WE believe in...ONE HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH

Yup...

We just don't equate that with your particular political, human, denominational institution (or any other, for that matter)...
 
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CaliforniaJosiah said:
... We just don't equate that with your particular political, human, denominational institution (or any other, for that matter)...

Even if it was founded by Jesus Christ?

And BTW, denominations are a Protestant thing.
 
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mshupe1959 said:
now I have to admit, this bothers me a bit.

Tickle torture....it's a joke. I think we can stop dragging the history of ALL churches through the mud over and again. It proves nothing other then history was not always pretty. I could ask our Protestant brothers and sisters what happened at Salem--but it is redundant and serves no purpose at all.

PAX CHRISTI
 
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HumbleMan said:
Just a quick question (the OP means nothing to me, as I don't proscribe to the C/P bashing): if a Pope issues a papal bull, is it considered ex cathedra?

No. A papal bull may be a teaching on faith and morals but more often they were just letters to bishops. I also am a bit suspect about the noted bull. I see a lot of text on the net regarding it but nowhere do I see the bull itself or any credibility that it existed. I certainly am not defending the methods of the inquisitors, I'm just saying that there is a lot of modern rhetoric about the inquisitions and back in those days there were a lot of false bulls being sent around to drive personal motivations.
 
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Maggie893 said:
No. A papal bull may be a teaching on faith and morals but more often they were just letters to bishops. I also am a bit suspect about the noted bull. I see a lot of text on the net regarding it but nowhere do I see the bull itself or any credibility that it existed. I certainly am not defending the methods of the inquisitors, I'm just saying that there is a lot of modern rhetoric about the inquisitions and back in those days there were a lot of false bulls being sent around to drive personal motivations.

I tried to find it also...but to no avail. Although I am road kill on the Internet superhighway...

PAX CHRISTI
 
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