Pope Francis asks theologians to ‘demasculinize’ the church

[Wolseley]

I'm not sure what they're putting in Frankie's soup these days, but whatever it is, it isn't good.

The pope’s words on Thursday underlined “the need to increase the space given to women in positions of authority and decision-making in the Christian community, in order to treasure the sensibility and intelligence that is typical of the feminine genius and experience,” Monsignor Piero Coda, general secretary of the International Theological Commission, told Religion News Service.

Women have always been important in the church, the theologian said, but “it’s time for this to become part of the culture” to address modern challenges and the “male-dominated view that still exists in the church and in society.”

“The church is woman,” Pope Francis told the theologians, “and if we cannot understand what a woman is, what is the theology of women, we will never understand the church. One of the great sins we have witnessed is ‘masculinizing’ the church.”

The pope charged those present with the task of reflecting on the role of women in the institution. “This is the job I ask of you, please: Demasculinize the church,” he said.

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[Chrystal-J]

I quit going to one Catholic church because the pastor let a nun give a homily regularly. Men were created to lead. I'm sad to see the Pope trying to "modernize" the Church.

1 Corinthians 11:3 “But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.”

 

[mourningdove~]

“The church is woman,” Francis told the theologians, “and if we cannot understand what a woman is, what is the theology of women, we will never understand the church. One of the great sins we have witnessed is ‘masculinizing’ the church.”

What does any of this even mean???


... I guess I do not understand it cuz I ain't woke!

 

[chevyontheriver]

I'm not sure what they're putting in Frankie's soup these days, but whatever it is, it isn't good.

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The Church needs to re-masculinize just to get back into balance again.

 

[mourningdove~]

Now here is a song I think maybe the Synod on Synodality might like!!

We young girls were all singing this back in 1972, when I was graduating from high school ... (lol!)

 

[mourningdove~]

The Church needs to re-masculinize just to get back into balance again.

Really ... I think our whole American culture needs to.
(... just this woman's point of view!)

Don't know what this country is going to be like, when all the masculine baby boomer men die off ...
but fortunately, I'll be gone, too!!!

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Men were created to lead.

And they have done a poor job even as they betrayed our trust.

 

[Chrystal-J]

And they have done a poor job even as they betrayed our trust.

I could add, "If they have their head screwed on straight." In an ideal situation, men should lead. But, they have to have good qualities and an ability to do so.
I left a church after 16 years because the priest was provoking arguments between himself and the parishioners. He was not a good leader and needed to change his hostile ways.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

What does any of this even mean???


... I guess I do not understand it cuz I ain't woke!

This might help. We obviously need more balance.

 

[mourningdove~]

This might help. We obviously need more balance.



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[mourningdove~]

This might help. We obviously need more balance.



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The charts you provided were totally unnecessary.

If you posted them to be funny, it wasn't.

If you posted them in an attempt to mock me, it was unkind.

But I choose to believe that you and I are just living in totally different realities.
Peace be with you.

 

[Wolseley]

Now here is a song I think maybe the Synod on Synodality might like!!

We young girls were all singing this back in 1972, when I was graduating from high school ... (lol!)

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LOL. I remember it well----my father used to sing more spontaneous (and usually unprintable) parodies of that song than you could shake a stick at.

I recall one day there was a gathering of male customers in Dad's office, sitting around chatting while he looked up info in a repair manual. A younger woman drove in, parked outside, and came in to get a bottle of pop or something. The conversation flowed into something that Gloria Steinem had recently said (I don't remember what, exactly), but it turned out the woman was, shall we say, an "enthusiastic" feminist.

She got started and it just went on and on; the old trope about "women need men like a fish needs a bicycle" and "anything a man can do, a woman can do better", blah, blah, blah, blah. She probably vented anti-masculine vitriol for a good ten minutes.

Dad never said a word. He just stood there and listened to her, a slight smile on his face, totally unruffled. The guys in the office grinned at each other, raised their eyebrows, and so on, but they didn't say much either.

At the end of her diatribe, she swallowed the last of her soda, looked at Dad, and asked, "Oh, by the way, could you go out and check the air pressure on my tires, please?"

Dad reached around the doorjamb, picked up the tire pressure gauge, handed it to her, and said, "Here you go." She looked at it uncertainly and said, "Wh....you're not going to do it?"

Dad said, "No. Anything I can do, you can do better. Why would you want me to do it?" Smiling the whole time.

She just stood there with her face hanging open. It was obvious that she didn't have the first clue how to check tire pressures, and it slowly dawned on her that she had just, to put it politely, defecated in her mess kit.

Dad went back to his manual. The male customers were snickering. And she dithered, completely helpless. Finally one of the guys got up, went outside, and checked her tires for her. When he came back in after she drove off, he grinned and said, "That wasn't very gentlemanly, George, not going out to check her tires like that."

Dad said, "Hey, I would have been happy to go out and check her tires. But not after that!"

 

[chevyontheriver]

LOL. I remember it well----my father used to sing more spontaneous (and usually unprintable) parodies of that song than you could shake a stick at.

I recall one day there was a gathering of male customers in Dad's office, sitting around chatting while he looked up info in a repair manual. A younger woman drove in, parked outside, and came in to get a bottle of pop or something. The conversation flowed into something that Gloria Steinem had recently said (I don't remember what, exactly), but it turned out the woman was, shall we say, an "enthusiastic" feminist.

She got started and it just went on and on; the old trope about "women need men like a fish needs a bicycle" and "anything a man can do, a woman can do better", blah, blah, blah, blah. She probably vented anti-masculine vitriol for a good ten minutes.

Dad never said a word. He just stood there and listened to her, a slight smile on his face, totally unruffled. The guys in the office grinned at each other, raised their eyebrows, and so on, but they didn't say much either.

At the end of her diatribe, she swallowed the last of her soda, looked at Dad, and asked, "Oh, by the way, could you go out and check the air pressure on my tires, please?"

Dad reached around the doorjamb, picked up the tire pressure gauge, handed it to her, and said, "Here you go." She looked at it uncertainly and said, "Wh....you're not going to do it?"

Dad said, "No. Anything I can do, you can do better. Why would you want me to do it?" Smiling the whole time.

She just stood there with her face hanging open. It was obvious that she didn't have the first clue how to check tire pressures, and it slowly dawned on her that she had just, to put it politely, defecated in her mess kit.

Dad went back to his manual. The male customers were snickering. And she dithered, completely helpless. Finally one of the guys got up, went outside, and checked her tires for her. When he came back in after she drove off, he grinned and said, "That wasn't very gentlemanly, George, not going out to check her tires like that."

Dad said, "Hey, I would have been happy to go out and check her tires. But not after that!"

The other song from that era that seems to exemplify the feminist attitude is 'These Boots Were Made For Walking'. Seems like men have been put down hard for fifty years for our 'toxic masculinity'. And now the theologians say we have to demasculinize the Church, which is already as demasculinized as the culture. There is a reason so many men have abandoned the Church. It's run by demasculinized men.

 

[mourningdove~]

LOL. I remember it well----my father used to sing more spontaneous (and usually unprintable) parodies of that song than you could shake a stick at.

I recall one day there was a gathering of male customers in Dad's office, sitting around chatting while he looked up info in a repair manual. A younger woman drove in, parked outside, and came in to get a bottle of pop or something. The conversation flowed into something that Gloria Steinem had recently said (I don't remember what, exactly), but it turned out the woman was, shall we say, an "enthusiastic" feminist.

She got started and it just went on and on; the old trope about "women need men like a fish needs a bicycle" and anything a man can do, a woman can do better", blah, blah, blah, blah. She probably vented anti-masculine vitriol for a good ten minutes.

Dad never said a word. He just stood there and listened to her, a slight smile on his face, totally unruffled. The guy in the office grinned at each other, raised their eyebrows, and so on, but they didn't say much either.

At the end of her diatribe, she swallowed the last of her soda, looked at Dad, and asked, "Oh, by the way, could you go out and check the air pressure on my tires, please?"

Dad reached around the doorjamb, picked up the tire pressure gauge, handed it to her, and said, "Here you go." She looked at it uncertainly and said, "Wh....you're not going to do it?"

Dad said, "No. Anything I can do, you can do better. Why would you want me to do it?" Smiling the whole time.

She just stood there with her face hanging open. It was obvious that she didn't have the first clue how to check tire pressures, and it slowly dawned on her that she had just, to put it politely, defecated in her mess kit.

Dad went back to his manual. The male customers were snickering. And she dithered, completely helpless. Finally one of the guys got up, went outside, and checked her tires for her. When he came back in after she drove off, he grinned and said, "That wasn't very gentlemanly, George, not going out to check her tires like that."

Dad said, "Hey, I would have been happy to go out and check her tires. But not after that!"

( )

To be honest, when I look back at that time, I see now the bunch of B.S. we women were being fed.

Back then, I blew off that stuff ... like the Helen Reddy song ... as being 'funny'.
Last nite, listening to that song, it still made me laugh ... alot!
But reality is, things like that song did have an impact on the way many women thought, and behaved.
And it wasn't a good impact.

We get into trouble, when we mess with the way God has designed things to be.
I don't believe He has ever intended for His church to be 'de-masculinized'.
So this move to 'feminize' the church is just gonna make things much messier ...

 

[Wolseley]

The other song from that era that seems to exemplify the feminist attitude is 'These Boots Were Made For Walking'.

To be honest, that one might have had a much greater feminist impact if it hadn't featured Nancy and her dancers in sequined micro-minis and go-go boots, prancing around with pelvic thrusts and derriere bumps, displaying themselves in a manner totally in keeping with the "sexual objectification of women" that the feminists were so decrying at the time....

 

[chevyontheriver]

We get into trouble, when we mess with the way God has designed things to be.
I don't believe He has ever intended for His church to be 'de-masculinized'.
So this move to 'feminize' the church is just gonna make things much messier ...

At some point women in the lead will be better than demasculinized priests and bishops in the lead. Just sayin'. Not as a play for women priests at all, but the situation is pretty bad with demasculinized priests. Adolescent boys will maybe be safer than from those demasculinized clerics.

What we need are for men to be men and women to stop wanting to be men. Then we can all work together with our gifts to better worship and evangelize.

 

[mourningdove~]

The other song from that era that seems to exemplify the feminist attitude is 'These Boots Were Made For Walking'. Seems like men have been put down hard for fifty years for our 'toxic masculinity'. And now the theologians say we have to demasculinize the Church, which is already as demasculinized as the culture. There is a reason so many men have abandoned the Church. It's run by demasculinized men.

(Lol ... I loved that dumb song! The white boots, too! )

But I have learned about things like brainwashing and propaganda, since then.
And back then, they were sure feeding us women a bunch of g.a.r.b.a.g.e.

I worked mainly in male dominated career fields all my career, and totally enjoyed it.
And I have felt sorry ... empathy ... for much of America's male population in general, for many years now.
All these years, all the push to promote women .... at the expense of our male population ... has been so wrong. So unfair.
A total distortion of how God designed men and women to be.

We now have a totally confused society.
And this move to further de-masculinize the church just isn't going to produce good fruit ...

 

[chevyontheriver]

To be honest, that one might have had a much greater feminist impact if it hadn't featured Nancy and her dancers in sequined micro-minis and go-go boots, prancing around with pelvic thrusts and derriere bumps, displaying themselves in a manner totally in keeping with the "sexual objectification of women" that the feminists were so decrying at the time....

That was truly awful. I don't think I had seen that before. Now I can't unsee it.

The music without the video is clearly hostile. With the video it's just sleazy.

 

[chevyontheriver]

(Lol ... I loved that dumb song! The white boots, too! )

But I have learned about things like brainwashing and propaganda, since then.
And back then, they were sure feeding us women a bunch of g.a.r.b.a.g.e.

I worked mainly in male dominated career fields all my career, and totally enjoyed it.
And I have felt sorry ... empathy ... for much of America's male population in general, for many years now.
All these years, all the push to promote women .... at the expense of our male population ... has been so wrong. So unfair.
A total distortion of how God designed men and women to be.

We now have a totally confused society.
And this move to further de-masculinize the church just isn't going to produce good fruit ...

Pope John Paul II had a different sensibility. But he seems to be ignored now by the powers in the Church.

 

[mourningdove~]

To be honest, that one might have had a much greater feminist impact if it hadn't featured Nancy and her dancers in sequined micro-minis and go-go boots, prancing around with pelvic thrusts and derriere bumps, displaying themselves in a manner totally in keeping with the "sexual objectification of women" that the feminists were so decrying at the time....

Talk about 'mixed messaging'!