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And it wouldn't be for the unmarried twin in your scenario?
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And it wouldn't be for the unmarried twin in your scenario?lol
This would literally be a nightmare of a situation for more conservatively minded Christians.
Still doesn't always work.Why can't they marry another set of conjoined joins?
This is generally is a very poor argument. You could also make the argument that God intended us to be vegans, and to eat meat is a perversion of His original design. I've talked about why this is an irrelevant argument here:
The "Original Design / Plan" Argument & Why It's Irrelevant
Not proof polygamy is a sin.
A fallacious argument, you're making the presupposition monogamy is the "ethical standard" over polygamy. Sorry, this isn't proof.
False analogy.
Technically speaking, that verse says the divorce is required to make it adultery."I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."
Mt 19:9
Marrying another woman, while the original marriage is still valid, is adultery.
Luther Said: Polygamy Is Permissible
"I confess that I cannot forbid a person to marry several wives, for it does not contradict the Scripture. If a man wishes to marry more than one wife he should be asked whether he is satisfied in his conscience that he may do so in accordance with the word of God. In such a case the civil authority has nothing to do in the matter." (De Wette II, 459, ibid., pp. 329-330.)
You might think who was Martin Luther to say such a thing?? If you have to ask that, time to read up on church history. Regardless, there is a truth to what Luther is saying here, and that is the Bible never explicitly says polygamy is a sin. In this, there is no debate.
Here is what we know to be the case:
This leaves all other arguments as forms of implicit arguments most of which I find are based in conjecture, and not sufficient to conclude something is, in fact, a sin. Personally, I try not to make statements where God has not.
- The Bible never explicitly states polygamy is a sin
- Some significant figures who had more than one wife were, Abraham, Jacob, Solomon, and David.
- Some had concubines, Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines (Not a wife, rather, an additional women to have sex with) Link
- In the NT we see that church leaders should be a husband of one wife (1Timothy 3:2, 1Timothy 3:12 and Titus 1:6) but say nothing regarding the general congregation.
What are your thoughts CF?
Tetra
NOTE: For the record, I am not in any way attacking monogamy here. I myself am in a monogamous relationship and have been for 16 years.
Why can't they marry another set of conjoined joins?
Well in my thinking it would have been a completely monogamous union, you'd just match corresponding sides!Our church would likely tolerate that sort of a union but we might not be willing to bless it, it would ultimately be left to the congregation, I suspect.
Luther Said: Polygamy Is Permissible
"I confess that I cannot forbid a person to marry several wives, for it does not contradict the Scripture. If a man wishes to marry more than one wife he should be asked whether he is satisfied in his conscience that he may do so in accordance with the word of God. In such a case the civil authority has nothing to do in the matter." (De Wette II, 459, ibid., pp. 329-330.)
You might think who was Martin Luther to say such a thing?? If you have to ask that, time to read up on church history. Regardless, there is a truth to what Luther is saying here, and that is the Bible never explicitly says polygamy is a sin. In this, there is no debate.
Here is what we know to be the case:
This leaves all other arguments as forms of implicit arguments most of which I find are based in conjecture, and not sufficient to conclude something is, in fact, a sin. Personally, I try not to make statements where God has not.
- The Bible never explicitly states polygamy is a sin
- Some significant figures who had more than one wife were, Abraham, Jacob, Solomon, and David.
- Some had concubines, Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines (Not a wife, rather, an additional women to have sex with) Link
- In the NT we see that church leaders should be a husband of one wife (1Timothy 3:2, 1Timothy 3:12 and Titus 1:6) but say nothing regarding the general congregation.
What are your thoughts CF?
Tetra
NOTE: For the record, I am not in any way attacking monogamy here. I myself am in a monogamous relationship and have been for 16 years.
It doesn't change the fact it is a poor argument. Things changed after the fall which allowed for certain things to be permissible. Do you also think I should work towards being naked since God intended us to be that way? It seems Christians only apply this argument when it's convenient for them... in their minds God intended us to be monogamous, but everything else God intended, forget that.I'm not going to spend time reading your other thread, but I don't think it's a poor argument. I do believe that God originally intended for us to be vegetarians. Meat isn't given for food until after the flood.
Resembling sin doesn't make it sin.Maybe not. But "very bad idea" resembles sin more than it resembles something that God is ambivalent toward.
Just because a conclusion is inferred doesn't make the conclusion valid. Ultimately your conclusion is still based on your interpretation of Scripture and you're inferring it's the case when it may not be so. This simply doesn't prove polygamy is a sin.Since monogamy is given in the context of a list of ethical standards, I don't think that the conclusion is very far fetched. My argument would be:
1. Paul gives ethical standards for church officers.
2. Ethical standards for church officers are not different than ethical standards for church members.
3. Therefore the standards Paul gives in 1 Timothy 3 apply to church members as well.
Where is the fallacy?
I don't want to go down this rabbit hole but it would depend if you maintain the slavery practiced in the Bible was actually indentured servitude. The argument here would be, polygamy was practiced while the slavery your referring to was not.I don't think so. You say that something is not a sin if the Bible doesn't explicitly say so. But this proves too much, since the Bible does not explicitly say that slavery is a sin. Simply saying "false analogy" is not going to solve this issue for you. You'll have to argue why your principle is true for polygamy but not true for slavery.
No. Matt 5 is about wanting a woman who is already married to someone else.Also, if polygamy is a morally legitimate choice for Christians, we have to ask what the standard Jesus set for adultery, including adultery of the heart is all about (Matthew 5:27-32, Matthew 19:4-9). These restrictions don't make sense if polygamy is acceptable. "It's not cheating, I just want another wife."
An even bigger nightmare, IMOAnd it wouldn't be for the unmarried twin in your scenario?
In bible times, yes.So, a husband can have a girlfriend if the girlfriend is single?
Luther Said: Polygamy Is Permissible
"I confess that I cannot forbid a person to marry several wives, for it does not contradict the Scripture. If a man wishes to marry more than one wife he should be asked whether he is satisfied in his conscience that he may do so in accordance with the word of God. In such a case the civil authority has nothing to do in the matter." (De Wette II, 459, ibid., pp. 329-330.)
You might think who was Martin Luther to say such a thing?? If you have to ask that, time to read up on church history. Regardless, there is a truth to what Luther is saying here, and that is the Bible never explicitly says polygamy is a sin. In this, there is no debate.
Here is what we know to be the case:
This leaves all other arguments as forms of implicit arguments most of which I find are based in conjecture, and not sufficient to conclude something is, in fact, a sin. Personally, I try not to make statements where God has not.
- The Bible never explicitly states polygamy is a sin
- Some significant figures who had more than one wife were, Abraham, Jacob, Solomon, and David.
- Some had concubines, Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines (Not a wife, rather, an additional women to have sex with) Link
- In the NT we see that church leaders should be a husband of one wife (1Timothy 3:2, 1Timothy 3:12 and Titus 1:6) but say nothing regarding the general congregation.
What are your thoughts CF?
Tetra
NOTE: For the record, I am not in any way attacking monogamy here. I myself am in a monogamous relationship and have been for 16 years.
Unless you live in New Hampshire, Colorado, or West Virginia?In bible times, yes.
But we also have to follow the law of the land. And that says NO.
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