Poll: Rape and Abortion - The Catholic Viewpoint

kern · Jan 23, 2003

There are certain times when the fetus is (a) not viable, and (b) endangering its mother's life. It may be that this should not be considered an "abortion" but rather a life-saving surgical procedure.

When the baby is endangering its mother's life that makes the situation a bit more complicated because often the child has a very low chance of survival as well.

-Chris

KC Catholic · Jan 23, 2003

Originally posted by kern
There are certain times when the fetus is (a) not viable, and (b) endangering its mother's life. It may be that this should not be considered an "abortion" but rather a life-saving surgical procedure.

When the baby is endangering its mother's life that makes the situation a bit more complicated because often the child has a very low chance of survival as well.

-Chris

But what are the frequencies of this actually happening?

With medical science as advanced as it is today - certainly this situation is less frequent than 10 -20 years ago. Geesh, their doing surgery on babies in the womb to repair heart problems before the child is even born.

If this is possible, cetainly our fine medical professionals can find a way to save mother and child without there being such a drastic decision to be made.

ZooMom · Jan 23, 2003

Originally posted by kern
There are certain times when the fetus is (a) not viable, and (b) endangering its mother's life. It may be that this should not be considered an "abortion" but rather a life-saving surgical procedure.

When the baby is endangering its mother's life that makes the situation a bit more complicated because often the child has a very low chance of survival as well.

-Chris

I have been in this situation. It was an ectopic pregnancy. I was not aware of the pregnancy until it had ruptured and I was already hemhorraging. There is no way to correct an ectopic pregnancy, yet. The only options are to have an abortion or let the pregnancy runs it's course and have the damage repaired. But in many cases, as in mine, a woman may not even be aware that she is pregnant until the rupture occurs and by then you are only left with one option anyway. We went over all this in this thread...

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/26231-1.html

Hope that works.

Miss Shelby · Jan 23, 2003

ZooMom,

From the other thread....

If it happened again, and I knew before the rupture occured...I would refuse to have the surgery. I would pray for a miracle, and if I didn't receive one, well...I wouldn't bleed to death before I could get to a hospital.

I respect your stance on this. If you were (heaven forbid) in this situation again and knew before hand that the baby was implated in the tube but wanted to carry the pregnancy as far as you could, I would hope that your doctor would have you admitted and watch you around the clock. But I suppose you never know with the state of affairs health care is in these days.

I heard a rumor once that there was a documented case of an ectopic pregnancy being carried to term, and the baby and mother surviving. I think it was posted by carma a long time ago when this board was the King's Tavern.

I might try to dig it up if I have time later.

Michelle

ZooMom · Jan 23, 2003

Thanks, Michelle. I have read cases of ectopic pregnancies being carried until it was safe to deliver the baby. An ectopic pregnancy is any implantation of a fetus outside of the uterus. In most cases this means tubal, but there have been cases of a fetus implanting on the *outside* of the uterus. It is not a very safe place for the baby, because of the lack of the protection of the uterine muscles, and labor would be impossible, but there would be room enough to grow until the baby could be delivered via C-section.

fragmentsofdreams · Jan 23, 2003

Originally posted by KC Catholic
But what are the frequencies of this actually happening?

With medical science as advanced as it is today - certainly this situation is less frequent than 10 -20 years ago. Geesh, their doing surgery on babies in the womb to repair heart problems before the child is even born.

If this is possible, cetainly our fine medical professionals can find a way to save mother and child without there being such a drastic decision to be made.

What really makes me frustrated is the people who have the nerve to demand a health of the mother clause in a partial birth abortion ban. If one is doing a partial birth abortion, it is obviously possible to deliver the child without any harm to the mother.

nyj · Jan 23, 2003

Originally posted by fragmentsofdreams
What really makes me frustrated is the people who have the nerve to demand a health of the mother clause in a partial birth abortion ban. If one is doing a partial birth abortion, it is obviously possible to deliver the child without any harm to the mother.

Agreed. At that point the entire child, save the head, has been birthed.

The culture of death is sick indeed.

nyj · Jan 23, 2003

A good link:

http://www.priestsforlife.org/preaching/newpreachingonabortion.htm

Interesting to think that Catholicism (to some the bastion of evil) can be such an outspoken advocate for the pro-life movement. By their fruits they shall be known?

KC Catholic · Jan 23, 2003

Originally posted by nyj
A good link:

http://www.priestsforlife.org/preaching/newpreachingonabortion.htm

Interesting to think that Catholicism (to some the bastion of evil) can be such an outspoken advocate for the pro-life movement. By their fruits they shall be known?

Agreed.

fragmentsofdreams · Jan 23, 2003

I had the pleasure of hearing Fr. Frank Pavone (the leader of Preists for Life) speak. During his speech, he showed us a video from a foreign abortion clinic. So many mutilated little bodies. If only people realized what was actually going on. Thank God for Fr. Pavone and all the others who have devoted their lives to ending this.

kern · Jan 23, 2003

The thing about ectopic pregnancies is that often the baby is dead when the "abortion" is performed (so I'm not sure that can really be called an "abortion").

-Chris

Hector Medina · Jan 24, 2003

As it can bee seen well by now.

The vast majority(including me) voted: 'No, I would not.'

Abortion is MURDER!

Besides, a young mother is influential in some ways,Mary was only 14 when she had Jesus.

In Christ,

Hector

ZooMom · Jan 24, 2003

Originally posted by kern
The thing about ectopic pregnancies is that often the baby is dead when the "abortion" is performed (so I'm not sure that can really be called an "abortion").

-Chris

Yes, Chris, often that is the case and it would not be termed an abortion. But some are detected early and 'corrected' before any rupture occurs, and in those cases it would be abortion.

Poll: Rape and Abortion - The Catholic Viewpoint

If your child was raped and was now pregnant, would you get her an abortion?

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No, I would not.

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