Please : What does "unto" stand for in Galates 6, 14 ?

[peter2]

Here is Galates 6, 14 :

14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

My aim in this thread is to appreciate the range of the crucifying Paul speaks of :

"unto" is translated in french Gospel by : "pour", and with the Linguee traductor, by : "à", 2 french confusing prepositions.

Indeed,
"pour" may express, according to my understanding :
(1) the world is crucified "to Paul's concerns", and Paul "to the world's concerns"
(2) the world is crucified "for Paul's sake", respectively : Paul's crucified "for the world's own intesrests"

while, still according to my understanding,
"à" might mean :
(3) The world "looks barren" to Paul (it's useless), and vice versa.

i fail to find a (4), but may be the whole thing is related to the notions of greediness, vs detachment
Please, do you have ideas on the subject ?

 

[David Lamb]

Here is Galates 6, 14 :

My aim in this thread is to appreciate the range of the crucifying Paul speaks of :

"unto" is translated in french Gospel by : "pour", and with the Linguee traductor, by : "à", 2 french confusing prepositions.

Indeed,
"pour" may express, according to my understanding :
(1) the world is crucified "to Paul's concerns", and Paul "to the world's concerns"
(2) the world is crucified "for Paul's sake", respectively : Paul's crucified "for the world's own intesrests"

while, still according to my understanding,
"à" might mean :
(3) The world "looks barren" to Paul (it's useless), and vice versa.

i fail to find a (4), but may be the whole thing is related to the notions of greediness, vs detachment
Please, do you have ideas on the subject ?

We rarely use "unto" these days in English. The NKJV translates the verse like this:

“But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.” (Ga 6:14 NKJV)

Context is important. The verse you mention is part of Paul's teaching about circumcision. Here it is with te surrounding verses:

“As many as desire to make a good showing in the flesh, these would compel you to be circumcised, only that they may not suffer persecution for the cross of Christ. For not even those who are circumcised keep the law, but they desire to have you circumcised that they may boast in your flesh. But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation.” (Ga 6:12-15 NKJV)

He was teaching that physical circumcision was no longer required, but new life in Christ.

 

[peter2]

We rarely use "unto" these days in English

Thank you Mr Lamb, i didn't know, you are informative

Context is important. The verse you mention is part of Paul's teaching about circumcision. Here it is with te surrounding verses:

“As many as desire to make a good showing in the flesh, these would compel you to be circumcised, only that they may not suffer persecution for the cross of Christ. For not even those who are circumcised keep the law, but they desire to have you circumcised that they may boast in your flesh. But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation.”

Yes, i've been meditating this a part of the night.

I've been concluding Paul opposes they, circumcised, that use their circumcision as a motive to feel superior to the uncircumcised, through compelling them to circumcise and feel like mentors of their circumcision.

It looks to me like what Paul opposes the more is this worldly mind that only attributes worthiness to these that have accomplished circumcision, and may be despise the uncircumcised.

I wonder whether the "new creation" he speaks of doesn't lie in the sacrifice of this worldly mind (?) and consist in admitting it, through what would be its crucifxion together with the pretention of waiting for a "strong" Messiah. (?)

This is why i questionned about the range of the crucifying Paul speaks of. That is, to appreciated how much wrong or right i might be..
Do you have an/the answer, please ?

 

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

Thank you Mr Lamb, i didn't know, you are informative

Yes, i've been meditating this a part of the night.

I've been concluding Paul opposes they, circumcised, that use their circumcision as a motive to feel superior to the uncircumcised, through compelling them to circumcise and feel like mentors of their circumcision.

It looks to me like what Paul opposes the more is this worldly mind that only attributes worthiness to these that have accomplished circumcision, and may be despise the uncircumcised.

I wonder whether the "new creation" he speaks of doesn't lie in the sacrifice of this worldly mind (?) and consist in admitting it, through what would be its crucifxion together with the pretention of waiting for a "strong" Messiah. (?)

This is why i questionned about the range of the crucifying Paul speaks of. That is, to appreciated how much wrong or right i might be..
Do you have an/the answer, please ?

The concept of the new creation is about becoming alive to God by Jesus coming to live in our hearts. There are many passages in Scripture that speak of this concept. They use different descriptors, but they point to the same idea. Look for "new creation", "new creature", "new man", "inward man", "child of God", "born again", "passed from death to life", "in Christ", etc. These are not metaphors, but point to a spiritual life created by God that did not exist before He created it.

This relates to being crucified to the world because a person who has obtained new life in Christ no longer loves the things of the world, but his affections are now for God and the things of God. Likewise, the people who are still worldly (and don't have new life in Christ) see the change in us and they can no longer relate to who we have become because they do not have the same love for God and for the things of God. So we can see the truth of what Paul said. The world has lost its luster in our eyes because of new life in Christ, and we have lost our luster in the eyes of those who are in the world because of our new life in Christ.

 

[peter2]

the truth of what Paul said. The world has lost its luster in our eyes because of new life in Christ, and we have lost our luster in the eyes of those who are in the world because of our new life in Christ.

Where did you find this saying of Paul, please ?

 

[David Lamb]

Where did you find this saying of Paul, please ?

Probably a verse like this:

“Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ” (Php 3:8 NKJV)

 

[peter2]

Probably a verse like this:

“Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ”

Actually, i thought over this question of mine, Mr Lamb, and wonder whether NLICJ did quote Paul. May be i should distinguish 2 sentences in his message, that is :

So we can see the truth of what Paul said

and :

The world has lost its luster in our eyes because of new life in Christ, and we have lost our luster in the eyes of those who are in the world because of our new life in Christ.

that'd both be from him, NLICJ

 

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

Where did you find this saying of Paul, please ?

I was explaining the verse you referenced in your OP and the verse that follows it which David mentioned. Here they are together...

14 But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. 15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation. (Ga 6:14–15)

I think David is right that there are other verses that speak to the same thing. He quoted a good one. And I said "Paul" because he is the author of the letter to the Galatians. He is also the author of the Philippians passage David quoted. You can see this in the first verse of both letters. Back then, they started they started their letters with the name of the person who wrote it. After that they mention who the letter is written to.

 

[peter2]

I was explaining the verse you referenced in your OP and the verse that follows it which David mentioned

Thank you, NLICJ
Your literary style looked first to me a bit like this of Bible. Funny !

 

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

Thank you, NLICJ
Your literary style looked first to me a bit like this of Bible. Funny !

That is hilarious. But thanks for the compliment.

 

[peter2]

That is hilarious. But thanks for the compliment.

You' re welcome