please provide a natural explanation for:

[archaeologist]

this is for all those who practice secular science to see what explanations they have for biblical events.

for this one please include all data, what the geography of the world looked liked prior to the event and what it looked like after. also document what caused the event. and so on.

here is the event: Gen.10:25--- "two sons were born to Eber: One was named peleg, because in his time the earth was divided; his brother was named Joktan."

be detailed, with credible links and studies.

this thread will get to other events but i would like to hear people's, who believe in alternatives, opinion on this issue. it does affect us today as the bible never says the earth returned to its former position.

 

[theQuestionist]

Why would there exist credible links and studies for a partial sentence from a verse discussing the naming of two children? I can't imagine any scientist caring, any more than I can imagine any scientist caring about the "hill" in "jack and jill went up the hill to fetch a pail of water".

"The earth was divided" is almost meaningless. Does it mean the earth itself was split in half? Does it mean only the terrain was divided? Does it mean the peoples' of the earth were divided? Does it mean the people of the earth created some kind of divisor? Is it referring to an earthquake? etc etc

I have a feeling your initial question is slightly baited....but I guess before jumping to that conclusions I'm asking you to clarify your post.

 

[theFijian]

^^ The thing is Archie thinks Science and Scientism are the same thing

 

[archaeologist]

Why would there exist credible links and studies for a partial sentence from a verse discussing the naming of two children?

not talking about the 2 children that is why there is a bolded phrase.

The earth was divided" is almost meaningless

not at all. it is a physical event that science should be able to explore and provide a natural explanation. it has been claimed that science can see into the past, here is a test to prove such a claim.

 

[theFijian]

not talking about the 2 children that is why there is a bolded phrase.

So you want us to tell you what a phrase means by taking it out of the context in which it was written? This is simply bad hermeneutics archie.

 

[theQuestionist]

not talking about the 2 children that is why there is a bolded phrase.

I realize that, but the part of the verse you're asking for more information for, seems to have been written in mere passing amidst some writings about the children themselves. So why is it important?

not at all. it is a physical event that science should be able to explore and provide a natural explanation. it has been claimed that science can see into the past, here is a test to prove such a claim.

Well of course, that presupposes that the verse is correct (and/or that the Bible is correct).

You've come to your conclusions and only then are asking for evidence. That makes no sense, and it is clear that you've baited this thread.

If science possesses no evidence of a "divide" in the earth (if "divide" is truly referring to something geographical and monumental), then there probably never existed a "divide" in the earth.

 

[gluadys]

this is for all those who practice secular science to see what explanations they have for biblical events.

for this one please include all data, what the geography of the world looked liked prior to the event and what it looked like after. also document what caused the event. and so on.

here is the event: Gen.10:25--- "two sons were born to Eber: One was named peleg, because in his time the earth was divided; his brother was named Joktan."

be detailed, with credible links and studies.

this thread will get to other events but i would like to hear people's, who believe in alternatives, opinion on this issue. it does affect us today as the bible never says the earth returned to its former position.

I will go along with the natural explanation suggested by Matthew Henry in 1706

The reason of the name of Peleg (v. 25): Because in his days (that is, about the time of his birth, when his name was given him), was the earth divided among the children of men that were to inhabit it; either when Noah divided it by an orderly distribution of it, as Joshua divided the land of Canaan by lot, or when, upon their refusal to comply with that division, God, in justice, divided them by the confusion of tongues: whichsoever of these was the occasion, pious Heber saw cause to perpetuate the remembrance of it in the name of his son;


http://bible.crosswalk.com/Commentaries/MatthewHenryComplete/mhc-com.cgi?book=ge&chapter=010

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Likewise at the beginning of Chapter 11 he also alludes to this dividing of the land.

The close of the foregoing chapter tells us that by the sons of Noah, or among the sons of Noah, the nations were divided in the earth after the flood, that is, were distinguished into several tribes or colonies; and, the places having grown too strait for them, it was either appointed by Noah, or agreed upon among his sons, which way each several tribe or colony should steer its course, beginning with the countries that were next them, and designing to proceed further and further, and to remove to a greater distance from each other, as the increase of their several companies should require. Thus was the matter well settled, one hundred years after the flood, about the time of Peleg’s birth; but the sons of men, it should seem, were loth to disperse into distant places; they thought the more the merrier and the safer, and therefore they contrived to keep together,

http://bible.crosswalk.com/Commentaries/MatthewHenryComplete/mhc-com.cgi?book=ge&chapter=11

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[theQuestionist]

I will go along with the natural explanation suggested by Matthew Henry in 1706

The reason of the name of Peleg (v. 25): Because in his days (that is, about the time of his birth, when his name was given him), was the earth divided among the children of men that were to inhabit it; either when Noah divided it by an orderly distribution of it, as Joshua divided the land of Canaan by lot, or when, upon their refusal to comply with that division, God, in justice, divided them by the confusion of tongues: whichsoever of these was the occasion, pious Heber saw cause to perpetuate the remembrance of it in the name of his son;


http://bible.crosswalk.com/Commentaries/MatthewHenryComplete/mhc-com.cgi?book=ge&chapter=010

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This is sort of what I understood the verse to mean....ie...not a physical division.
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[Yekcidmij]

this is for all those who practice secular science to see what explanations they have for biblical events.

for this one please include all data, what the geography of the world looked liked prior to the event and what it looked like after. also document what caused the event. and so on.

here is the event: Gen.10:25--- "two sons were born to Eber: One was named peleg, because in his time the earth was divided; his brother was named Joktan."

be detailed, with credible links and studies.

this thread will get to other events but i would like to hear people's, who believe in alternatives, opinion on this issue. it does affect us today as the bible never says the earth returned to its former position.

I dont understand. Is the "event" the flood? Why would a "secular scientist" have or have to have an explination for biblical events? Is there such a thing as a "secular scientist" or is there a difference between "secular" and "biblical" scientists?

And when you say to provide all data, I hope you realize this subject could easily encompass a textbook.

 

[Rudolph Hucker]

this is for all those who practice secular science to see what explanations they have for biblical events.

for this one please include all data, what the geography of the world looked liked prior to the event and what it looked like after. also document what caused the event. and so on.

here is the event: Gen.10:25--- "two sons were born to Eber: One was named peleg, because in his time the earth was divided; his brother was named Joktan."

be detailed, with credible links and studies.

this thread will get to other events but i would like to hear people's, who believe in alternatives, opinion on this issue. it does affect us today as the bible never says the earth returned to its former position.

I am not a secular scientist, in fact I do not even know what you mean by such a term but it sounds like an early use of the phrase "they divided the spoils of victory". That is, it was shared.

Literalism can be confusing.

 

[The Lady Kate]

not at all. it is a physical event that science should be able to explore and provide a natural explanation. it has been claimed that science can see into the past, here is a test to prove such a claim.

First thing's first... before science can attempt to give you an explaination for what happened in that verse... what happened in that verse?

"The Earth was divided" is, to say the least, far too cryptic to be of any use in this discussion. When you can explain what it means, I'm sure someone will explain how it happened.

 

[gluadys]

He won't be answering soon, Lady Kate. He is temporarily banned (2 weeks) from CF.

 

[Rudolph Hucker]

Although Archie seems to be absent from here he can be contacted at http://www.koreabridge.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4484&st=0&#entry34765