Please give me advice..

[Intrepid99]

Hey,
Things are really getting crazy around me in school.
Today in my health class, the teacher was talking about homosexuality. She said,
"My job here is to tell the facts to you."
And then went onto lecture the students how homosexuality is not a choice and an orientation. (a brainwashing of students rather than lecturing them).
Through out her entire lecture, I just could not contain myself. After her lecture was finished, by using common sense and knowledge gained from answersingenesis.org, I started to debate her. Finally, she put down the gaunlet without the students notice and shifted the topic by asking me a question,
"What is your point in proving that homosexuality is not a choice?"
Foolishly, I did not recognize that she was shifting the topic and answered, "Homosexuality effects the society in a negative way. How it would bring gay parenting into much larger scale."
Then we went onto debate that. Throughout the debate, I was the only person who is debating her, moreover, the entire class was against me. Even a girl whom I considered Christian said, "Why do you think that you are always right? You must respect what others say."
So, the period ended. I was happy and I was sad too. I was happy because I stood up and did what I could do. Sad, because how the teens are been misguided.
So, she said, she is going to bring speakers from gay and lesbian parenting and ask them to present themselves in the class. I think this is where my real problems start.
They ofcourse would be professional in lying and misguiding. Secondly, none of my classmates support me. Thirdly, because they are gays and visitors to the school, I must address my comments in "WWJD" manner.

I am praying about this and studying material from internet on this. The thing that concerns me is not losing the debate on this issue but, the life of children who would be raised by gays and lesbian without any guidance by the other sex involved.

Please pray about this and give me any suggestions you want to give me.

 

[ysl_75]

Well, I don't dare to say to give you any advise but I'm just pointing one thing, whether we are gays or lesbians or anything I always believed that God has His plan and purpose. He loves everyone very much because He created us and He know best about each and every of us. Am I out of topic? I hope that I am not...

 

[BlessedVegan]

Well I don't think there's anything wrong with them discussing it, after all, schools are not built around Christian beliefs (unless it's a private Christian school you go to). It's fine that you debated your opinion as well.
"They ofcourse would be professional in lying and misguiding"
What do you think, that these gay people are trying to misrepresent themselves and somehow corrupt everyone? That sounds very judgemental to me. WHile homosexuality is a sin, you've got to realize it is no worse to God than the sin of lying, or whatever. And as I said, the schools are not built around Christian ethics, and shouldn't be, IMHO. Obviously Christian ethics are good, but our public schools should not be run by them. I think it's good to expose the students to gay families, it might make them more tolerant. Because regarldess of if they are sinning, gay families are here to stay and it'd be for the best of everyone to make the world more tolerant. We tolerate lots of other people who do sinful things (which is absolutely every one of us).

 

[Heathos33]

Um...gotta respectfully disagree with the previous two posts.

Intrepid99, god bless you for your courage and faith. Last year, in my 5th year of college during one of my sociology classes, I got into the same debate with a professor...without knowing any of the responses in answeringenesis.org and boy was it not easy. It wasn't until after class was over that I was able to see so many points I could have made which would have helped my side of the equation out.

Pray for guidance, which I'm pretty sure you already have done. Of course, because of our faith, we'll get persecuted from time to time. that's ok, rejoice in that if you're able to, because God sees your committment and it makes him smile.

To say that homosexuality is a sin no worse than lying...eh, I'm not going to open that whole can of worms, and I'm sure there is a topic about that somewhere else. (I just try to imagine someone homosexual and dying and going to heaven and still being gay in heaven...I mean, come on, can you really see that as making sense? how do you think that would make God feel?)

It's not good to be exposed to this, it's bad, no matter how much "good" you might think it does, because all it ends up doing is making us callous to sin. We see it as less and less of something wrong up to the point where it's not taboo anymore, but ok. How someone can think they were born that way is beyond me, but I digress...

God bless, bro!

 

[but'n'ben]

I'm a Christian yet I'm not homophobic and being gay or lesbian is been placed at a hormone or genetic imbalance. Most of us are born 'straight' so why is it not possible for people to be born gay? About the gay parent thing I'm not sure. I know I wouldn't want to be raised by two men or two women but then again would you rather have that or grow up in a male/female relationship which was abusive?

It is a can of worms and I am undecided on the matter. I don't think being gay is right, it says in the Bible it's wrong and I don't think it's natural but I also don't think it's the choice of the person. It's not like they wake up one day and think 'I'll be gay from now on'.

 

[angelwind]

I don't know why people end up being gay 99. But, "in my view" you are on the right path. I admire your courage to speak up on this matter. I pray that the Lord will gvie you much wisdom and favor if you get into these discussions again.

The Lord sees this sin and He does not like it...just remember Sodom and Gomorrah. And, Lot was reluctant to leave that place.

What you described shows how much moral darkness has crept into our culture.

 

[BlessedVegan]

But how would a gay person in heaven be any worse than a lier in heaven? From what I've heard (and I'm no expert so if I'm wrong do correct me) but God sees all sin as equal. God hates sin, period. And guess what we all sin ALOT. Just because we are lucky enough not to want to be gay, doesn't mean we are any better. I say lucky b/c I would hate to feel as though my natural tendancies as to whom I'm attracted to were a sin. It is but can you imagine how much stress that puts a gay person under? SUre I have to resist lust too but at least I know one day I can be married and enjoy a sexual relationship with my husband. A gay person can never hope to do that. I think people need to have more sympathy for gay people..what a position to be in.

 

[angelwind]

I have a lot of sympathy for them...but they want me to say it is ok to be gay and the Word of God says no it isn't.

It is like having someone try to make me say it is allright to murder, or lie, or steal...etc.

It is an ancient sin...read Romans 1:18-32 It seems to be part of a judgement of God when men knew God but did not honor Him as God...He gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity.

I think it is a terrific stronghold of somekind...but there are people who have been delivered from it. It is not "love" in my view to say that sin is "ok". It is love to pray for and confront when the issue comes to us personally.

 

[growingupinhim]

Well, I don't dare to say to give you any advise but I'm just pointing one thing, whether we are gays or lesbians or anything I always believed that God has His plan and purpose. He loves everyone very much because He created us and He know best about each and every of us. Am I out of topic? I hope that I am not...

God created man perfect..the male and female..actually female for male! the female was Gods last and most wondeful creation..then he rested..
Gods did not make man homesexual..perhaps evolutionst beleive this..but its contary to his pefect work..God has made it clear man and man and women and women is not natural..is sinful..and he hates it..
Praise God he has given a redemdy for sin...its called trusting and living for Jesus..in him he has set the captives free!
we must invite homesxuals to Gods truth..and then let them decide which path they wish to choose..like all of us once we hear the truth of the gospel, we decide we want to live Gods ways (the narrow path) or the worlds way (the broad path, were we make the rules we will follow)

 

[growingupinhim]

I have a lot of sympathy for them...but they want me to say it is ok to be gay and the Word of God says no it isn't.

It is like having someone try to make me say it is allright to murder, or lie, or steal...etc.

It is an ancient sin...read Romans 1:18-32 It seems to be part of a judgement of God when men knew God but did not honor Him as God...He gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity.

I think it is a terrific stronghold of somekind...but there are people who have been delivered from it. It is not "love" in my view to say that sin is "ok". It is love to pray for and confront when the issue comes to us personally.

I agree what most important is what is Gods way of living..and we know by his word its called natural affection..where man and woman have made for each other sexually..anything else is mans deprivation and fallen sinful ways..but praise God he has given us his son to set us free whatever sins best us..However God gives us freewill to choose his ways or live by our own standars of whats right and wrong..
Today we see evil be called good or acceptable..and righteouness poltically wrong and intollarable..there is only one way to live and die by..Gods Word!

 

[Dmckay]

Intrepid99,

First, I want to commend you on your courage in taking a Biblical stand in the face of such opposition. I know that this wasn't easy, especially at your age. I wouldn't be surprised about the young woman that didn't support you whom you thought was a Christian. She may very well be a believer, but todat too many Christians have not been properly discipled and don't feel comfortable standing up for their faith. there are also many in the Christian community who have been browbeaten into thinking that they are intolerant or bigoted if they don't give approval to anything that the world wants to do. I doubt very much if your teacher would consider allowing you to bring your Pastor to present a dissenting opinion, but you might ask. If she is bringing in outsiders to present their view it would onlly be "fair".

For those who think that this young man was being unreasonable in his stand consider where the Apostle Paul ranks homosexuality in the deevolution of the human spirit:
Romans 1:18ff***"18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. 21For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22Professing to be wise, they became fools, *23and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures. 24Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. 26For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, (AQ)God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,"

 

[Child of JC]

(I just try to imagine someone homosexual and dying and going to heaven and still being gay in heaven...I mean, come on, can you really see that as making sense? how do you think that would make God feel?)

If that person repents, he/she will be in heaven, just as I will be in heaven eventhough I'm a sinner. Think of the people who will be there, Murderers, Prostitutes, Child Molesters, Liers, Theives... God Longs to be with All of us, we are His children, Jesus paid the price for all sin. Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound that saved a Wretch like ME.

 

[Child of JC]

I find the world is sending the message "If you are not for homosexuallity then you hate the gay community." I think as christians we have 2 jobs to do, 1. Preach the TRUTH, and 2. Love our neighbour. We have to find some balance in our message and say "This is Wrong, but I can still love you. I'm not against the sinner, just the sin."

 

[Iggster]

I find the world is sending the message "If you are not for homosexuallity then you hate the gay community." I think as christians we have 2 jobs to do, 1. Preach the TRUTH, and 2. Love our neighbour. We have to find some balance in our message and say "This is Wrong, but I can still love you. I'm not against the sinner, just the sin."

God loves gay people just as much. And He will Have His day with them, just as He did with us when He took us back into His flock.

 

[EnlightenedWitness]

Well I don't think there's anything wrong with them discussing it, after all, schools are not built around Christian beliefs (unless it's a private Christian school you go to). It's fine that you debated your opinion as well.

I'm very sad to see this posted. As a Christian, you should know that in fact, the school system in the U.S. WAS based on Christianity when the country first started ... just as our Constitution and Laws were. When the school system was established in the U.S., the only required texts were the Bible and the Watts Hymnal. The problem is that people who are running the schools now, don't want you to KNOW that!!

Schools are supposed to be teaching kids the three R's - NOT trying to influence their morals ... that's the parents' job!

MY ADVICE TO YOU --- talk to your parents and ask them to step-in. The school district has no right to bring gay and lesbian couples into the classroom for ANY reason, especially to try and influence your stand on matters. There are several families across the nation making strides in this area and beginning to win the fight agains the decreasing morals in schools.

And when you feel depressed because other teens get angy - it's tough, but just remember what Jesus said ... His path is a narrow path. But it's worth it!!

I'll say a prayer for you.

 

[angelwind]

I'm very sad to see this posted. As a Christian, you should know that in fact, the school system in the U.S. WAS based on Christianity when the country first started ... just as our Constitution and Laws were. When the school system was established in the U.S., the only required texts were the Bible and the Watts Hymnal. The problem is that people who are running the schools now, don't want you to KNOW that!!

Schools are supposed to be teaching kids the three R's - NOT trying to influence their morals ... that's the parents' job!

MY ADVICE TO YOU --- talk to your parents and ask them to step-in. The school district has no right to bring gay and lesbian couples into the classroom for ANY reason, especially to try and influence your stand on matters. There are several families across the nation making strides in this area and beginning to win the fight agains the decreasing morals in schools.

And when you feel depressed because other teens get angy - it's tough, but just remember what Jesus said ... His path is a narrow path. But it's worth it!!

I'll say a prayer for you.

My AMEN here. I see these issues of "gay rights", and other issues [the occult movies, abortion, etc. and this is my opinion] as a tool for sifting in the church. Will we let the sword of the Spirit slice through the deceptions of our age? Setting us free from bondage to sin. Or will we be like Lot, reluctant to leave Sodom and Gomorrrah and like Lot's wife who turned back to see and was turned into a pillar of salt. Genisis 19:1-20

The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,

and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because the did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie,

that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 2Thess. 2:9-12

 

[Intrepid99]

Thank you my friends. I will try to respond to every post in here. You guys brought up some nice points that I can use.
By the way, I posted the same message in Christian Advice forum. http://www.christianforums.com/t1180157-please-give-me-suggestion.html
Post number 4, and 17. I think that is how the Christians in our school respond. I think children in schools are under pressure with peers to go against me as a christian. But, this man has completely different ideas than me. I do not know why.

 

[IntimateFriend]

Brother, I admire your courage. Remember your rights. Don't be intimidated by these blided people. Remember that our warfare is not flesh and blood...put on the complete armor as the Scripture says. Don't forget that the Holy Spirit is with you. He will guide you into all truth. God bless brother. I'm one with you. BE EXAMPLE. LIVE WHAT YOU PREACH. ONE LIFE TO LIVE, ONE LIFE TO GIVE. Chow!