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[Sleepy089]

Please delete this topic I meant for it to be a discussion on sex education and it became something a little bit more my apologies

 

[createdtoworship]

I believe abortion to be wrong but I believe there are cases when a woman should be allowed that option. My biggest issue I think is abortion as an issue of convenience. I am not here to argue the pros and cons of abortion we all know them we all have our beliefs on them. But I have seen so many Christian groups go on and on about the wonders of abstinence, disgusting lies saying birth control does not work, condoms do not work, Christians are so against abortion in many cases they don't care what the reason is. Ive actually heard pastors say to women who were ill and couldn't carry the child to term tell the women that they should sit there and pray and wish for the best.

Why in God's name are Christians so against teaching sex education and birth control. I do not care what you preach in church....teenagers will have sex...young adults will have sex I don't care what they're telling you in church group they're having sex. Abstinence-only does not work it never has worked it might work for some but there will always be a large large a number of people who won't listen. Christians are so against abortion why in God's name are you not teaching sex education why are you not teaching birth control. And please do not give me cuz the Bible says it's bad hoopla. Christians make up probabiliy 30% of the population of this planet and I am fully aware for many Christians their beliefs wants and needs are the only ones that matter to them unfortunately the rights and beliefs of the other 70% do count.

Sweden France,The Netherlands, Denmark, And Belgium, 5 countries that have excellent sex education, generally five or six teen pregnancies per thousand people.

Nuff Said

I highly recommend watching this movie in it's entirety:

 

[Sleepy089]

I highly recommend watching this movie in it's entirety:

I am not arguing the abortion issue I am arguing teaching birth control I am arguing teaching sex education it does work it is effective

 

[NxNW]

I highly recommend watching this movie in it's entirety:

I skimmed thru it. If it's not a human being in the womb, it's not a problem.

 

[blackribbon]

I believe abortion to be wrong but I believe there are cases when a woman should be allowed that option. My biggest issue I think is abortion as an issue of convenience. I am not here to argue the pros and cons of abortion we all know them we all have our beliefs on them. But I have seen so many Christian groups go on and on about the wonders of abstinence, disgusting lies saying birth control does not work, condoms do not work, Christians are so against abortion in many cases they don't care what the reason is. Ive actually heard pastors say to women who were ill and couldn't carry the child to term tell the women that they should sit there and pray and wish for the best.

Why in God's name are Christians so against teaching sex education and birth control. I do not care what you preach in church....teenagers will have sex...young adults will have sex I don't care what they're telling you in church group they're having sex. Abstinence-only does not work it never has worked it might work for some but there will always be a large large a number of people who won't listen. Christians are so against abortion why in God's name are you not teaching sex education why are you not teaching birth control. And please do not give me cuz the Bible says it's bad hoopla. Christians make up probably 30% of the population of this planet and I am fully aware for many Christians their beliefs wants and needs are the only ones that matter to them unfortunately the rights and beliefs of the other 70% do count.

Sweden France,The Netherlands, Denmark, And Belgium, 5 countries that have excellent sex education, generally five or six teen pregnancies per thousand people.

Nuff Said

I don't know any Christian group that pushes for no sex education. At most, they disagree with public schools teaching all sex as equal and acceptable. My first sex education book was given to me in early elementary school...it addressed how plants "made babies", a couple animals, and then people. It is very tastefully done and talked about sex being between a husband and wife as a way of celebrating marriage. I gave my kids the same book. It was on their shelf of books to access and request to be read with all other books. They also were raise around farm animals and allowed to watch both mating and births of more than one type of birth. It should be taught as a natural action which is a very good thing when done in the right circumstances...and the possible consequences of doing it outside of God's will.

Contraception should be taught along the way...but again should not be done without respecting each families' belief system. The Muslim faith also believes sex belongs only in the confines of marriage so it isn't just a "Christian" issue. It is a family and cultural issue that needs to be respected...everything is NOT equal and acceptable.

And I can't think of any reason why a woman should be allowed to kill a baby regardless of the developmental stage. The choice should be made before conception...and even if the choice wasn't made by her (very few pregnancies), that child shouldn't be punished...pregnancy is limited and less than a year. She can "get rid" of the pregnancy via adoption if she still feels that way after giving birth.

In all cases where the mother's life is in danger, deliver the baby...you don't have to kill the baby first to give the mother a better outcome.

 

[NxNW]

I can't think of any reason why a woman should be allowed to kill a baby regardless of the developmental stage.

If it's not a baby, there is no problem.

In all cases where the mother's life is in danger, deliver the baby...you don't have to kill the baby first to give the mother a better outcome.

There are plenty of cases in which giving birth is more dangerous than abortion.

 

[Peter J Barban]

I believe abortion to be wrong but I believe there are cases when a woman should be allowed that option. My biggest issue I think is abortion as an issue of convenience. I am not here to argue the pros and cons of abortion we all know them we all have our beliefs on them. But I have seen so many Christian groups go on and on about the wonders of abstinence, disgusting lies saying birth control does not work, condoms do not work, Christians are so against abortion in many cases they don't care what the reason is. Ive actually heard pastors say to women who were ill and couldn't carry the child to term tell the women that they should sit there and pray and wish for the best.

Why in God's name are Christians so against teaching sex education and birth control. I do not care what you preach in church....teenagers will have sex...young adults will have sex I don't care what they're telling you in church group they're having sex. Abstinence-only does not work it never has worked it might work for some but there will always be a large large a number of people who won't listen. Christians are so against abortion why in God's name are you not teaching sex education why are you not teaching birth control. And please do not give me cuz the Bible says it's bad hoopla. Christians make up probably 30% of the population of this planet and I am fully aware for many Christians their beliefs wants and needs are the only ones that matter to them unfortunately the rights and beliefs of the other 70% do count.

Sweden France,The Netherlands, Denmark, And Belgium, 5 countries that have excellent sex education, generally five or six teen pregnancies per thousand people.

Nuff Said

"Ive actually heard pastors say to women who were ill and couldn't carry the child to term tell the women that they should sit there and pray and wish for the best."

Unless you support this claim with the names of multiple pastors whom I can confirm your claims with, I will continue to assume you are lying and slandering Christians.

Also, you talk about Christians as if you are not one yourself. Are you trolling us?

 

[blackribbon]

If it's not a baby, there is no problem.


There are plenty of cases in which giving birth is more dangerous than abortion.

When is a human baby, not a human? The only discussion is at what point of development does someone believe it is okay to end its life.

And there is absolutely no cases where giving birth is more dangerous than an abortion. An aborted baby has to be born the same way a live one is born. The mother goes through the same hormone changes. The risks are the same...that baby doesn't dissolve or just disappear. It has to be born via a c-section or vaginally. The only choices for a live birth or a dead birth.

 

[Sleepy089]

I highly recommend watching this movie in it's entirety:

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I don't know any Christian group that pushes for no sex education. At most, they disagree with public schools teaching all sex as equal and acceptable. My first sex education book was given to me in early elementary school...it addressed how plants "made babies", a couple animals, and then people. It is very tastefully done and talked about sex being between a husband and wife as a way of celebrating marriage. I gave my kids the same book. It was on their shelf of books to access and request to be read with all other books. They also were raise around farm animals and allowed to watch both mating and births of more than one type of birth. It should be taught as a natural action which is a very good thing when done in the right circumstances...and the possible consequences of doing it outside of God's will.

Contraception should be taught along the way...but again should not be done without respecting each families' belief system. The Muslim faith also believes sex belongs only in the confines of marriage so it isn't just a "Christian" issue. It is a family and cultural issue that needs to be respected...everything is NOT equal and acceptable.

And I can't think of any reason why a woman should be allowed to kill a baby regardless of the developmental stage. The choice should be made before conception...and even if the choice wasn't made by her (very few pregnancies), that child shouldn't be punished...pregnancy is limited and less than a year. She can "get rid" of the pregnancy via adoption if she still feels that way after giving birth.

In all cases where the mother's life is in danger, deliver the baby...you don't have to kill the baby first to give the mother a better outcome.

Wow I can't believe I'm having to point this out, woman in Ireland was having a miscarriage they wouldn't remove the baby until the heart stopped,because they waited for the heart to stop beating she got an infection she died. And this is probably one of the saddest stories I ever heard. A mother of six looses her has been in an accident she's 2 months pregnant and she finds out she has cancer. She had a choice to make don't do the chemo carry the child to term and most likely die from the cancer. She had no family it was just her and six kids. she decided to have an abortion and go through chemo. she had to choose between the child that wasn't born and the six that were a lot and we're still minors. And you can find it dozens of stories similar to that out there. Abortion has never been a black and white issue

 

[Sleepy089]

Can someone please delete this topic I meant for it to be adiscussion on birth control and sex education and the whole abortion issues starting. My apologies I should not have started this topic

 

[Sleepy089]

"Ive actually heard pastors say to women who were ill and couldn't carry the child to term tell the women that they should sit there and pray and wish for the best."

Unless you support this claim with the names of multiple pastors whom I can confirm your claims with, I will continue to assume you are lying and slandering Christians.

Also, you talk about Christians as if you are not one yourself. Are you trolling us?

You know what I'm not trolling you, but then again maybe I am I'm a liberal by the way while I would consider myself a believer of Christ I am not now nor will I ever be a hardcore right-wing Republican Christian. As for the pastor story it was in a reader's digest. It's not hard to go Google stuff like that. I am a liberal I am very proud to be a liberal, I am proud to say I did not vote for a sexual predator to be president of the United States, it had nothing to do with his political affiliations because I have voted Republican before. And they're all types of Christians there's a thousand different denominations. I do like to argue though. But I think this was a bad idea topic my apologies I won't post something like this again.

 

[blackribbon]

Wow I can't believe I'm having to point this out, woman in Ireland was having a miscarriage they wouldn't remove the baby until the heart stopped,because they waited for the heart to stop beating she got an infection she died. And this is probably one of the saddest stories I ever heard. A mother of six looses her has been in an accident she's 2 months pregnant and she finds out she has cancer. She had a choice to make don't do the chemo carry the child to term and most likely die from the cancer. She had no family it was just her and six kids. she decided to have an abortion and go through chemo. she had to choose between the child that wasn't born and the six that were a lot and we're still minors. And you can find it dozens of stories similar to that out there. Abortion has never been a black and white issue

First, the UK seems to define an abortion differently than the US. In both of these cases where the mother's life was at risk, induce the labor to save the mother. Let the baby be born without cutting it up into tiny pieces. At two months, that baby isn't going to survive obviously, but it isn't killed. It dies naturally and often the mother can hold the baby until he dies or even after he dies. It is a way to say goodbye. Again, why cut it up or implode it with saline...both painful procedures for the baby.

Each year, the age that can survive an early birth gets shorter. Twenty two weeks now seems to have the possibility of survival if born in the proper setting where an advanced level of NICU is available. But if it is decided that no extraordinary effort will be made to save a micro preemie, then at least the baby can die with dignity being held and not be dumped in the biohazard waste bucket.

 

[blackribbon]

You know what I'm not trolling you, but then again maybe I am I'm a liberal by the way while I would consider myself a believer of Christ I am not now nor will I ever be a hardcore right-wing Republican Christian. As for the pastor story it was in a reader's digest. It's not hard to go Google stuff like that. I am a liberal I am very proud to be a liberal, I am proud to say I did not vote for a sexual predator to be president of the United States, it had nothing to do with his political affiliations because I have voted Republican before. And they're all types of Christians there's a thousand different denominations. I do like to argue though. But I think this was a bad idea topic my apologies I won't post something like this again.

So I assume you didn't vote for Bill Clinton...and you didn't vote for Hillary Clinton who condone sexual predator behavior by someone IN the White House...did it IN the White House, matter of fact.

 

[Peter J Barban]

You know what I'm not trolling you, but then again maybe I am I'm a liberal by the way while I would consider myself a believer of Christ I am not now nor will I ever be a hardcore right-wing Republican Christian. As for the pastor story it was in a reader's digest. It's not hard to go Google stuff like that. I am a liberal I am very proud to be a liberal, I am proud to say I did not vote for a sexual predator to be president of the United States, it had nothing to do with his political affiliations because I have voted Republican before. And they're all types of Christians there's a thousand different denominations. I do like to argue though. But I think this was a bad idea topic my apologies I won't post something like this again.

I respect your correction, thanks.

 

[SkyWriting]

Please delete this topic I meant for it to be a discussion on sex education and it became something a little bit more my apologies

You can report your own thread to have it deleted.

 

[Sleepy089]

So I assume you didn't vote for Bill Clinton...and you didn't vote for Hillary Clinton who condone sexual predator behavior by someone IN the White House...did it IN the White House, matter of fact.

No I didn't vote for Bill Clinton I was still a child, my first vote was Bush jr. I voted for him both times, I voted for Obama,and yeah I voted for Hillary but had to choose between her or Trump. Trump has 40 years of lying cheating stealing over 20 accusations of rape I'm sorry, as far as Hillary from what I saw she's no different than the other politician she's a liar she's a cheat she's a thief she's no different than any other politician Republican or Democrat,Donald Trump is not a politician Donald Trump is an idiot,and you know what people can say fake news all they want but when he does it on every media outlet from TV to newspaper to social media making an ass of himself he can't say fake news when he's doing it.

 

[Peter J Barban]

Seeing as how this thread may disappear soon:
I think this could be a good topic, it just got off on the wrong foot.

I am going to restart this topic in a more neutral stance? Sleepy089, please share your thoughts there.

 

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