Plants

Brightmoon · Aug 18, 2018

I just read an interesting post that I couldn’t respond to on another thread . Some creationist said that plants don’t have the “ breath of life” . Now that sounds weird to me because plants do everything that animals do except walk around. They eat , breath oxygen , sleep at night, reproduce, respond to physical damage, communicate with others of the same species and insects , and some can even move rapidly, etc.

Your thoughts?

dqhall · Aug 18, 2018

Brightmoon said:
I just read an interesting post that I couldn’t respond to on another thread . Some creationist said that plants don’t have the “ breath of life” . Now that sounds weird to me because plants do everything that animals do except walk around. They eat , breath oxygen , sleep at night, reproduce, respond to physical damage, communicate with others of the same species and insects , and some can even move rapidly, etc.

Your thoughts?

Jesus used the example of a grape vine. The vine has a main stem called a leader and there are branches that grow from the vine. The farmer selects what branches should remain in the vine and what branches to prune out.

I have not seen a plant move fast, what plant moves fast? I have seen tumble weed dried up and blown by the wind over flat desert expanse. It disperses seed as it rolls.

If God did not give life to plants, they would not grow. People can graft plants together. I have not seen a peach tree made in a test tube.

BroRoyVa79 · Aug 18, 2018

That creationist quoted
Deuteronomy 12:23
“Only be sure that thou eat not the blood: for the blood is the life; and thou mayest not eat the life with the flesh.”
To clarify what the "breath of life" is according to Scripture.
Do plants bleed blood? He didn't say plants aren't classified as "life" but not the same as animal life since they don't have blood in them like humans and animals. You're misrepresenting what the person said.

Brightmoon · Aug 18, 2018

A Venus flytrap can move fast enough to catch flies . Mimosas are called sensitive plants because they’ll close their leaves if touched .

Brightmoon · Aug 18, 2018

Sap in plants works the same as blood does . Chlorophyll has the same heme molecule as blood but the metal inside is magnesium not iron . There isn’t that much of a difference as you’d think

BroRoyVa79 · Aug 18, 2018

Brightmoon said:
Sap in plants works the same as blood does . Chlorophyll has the same heme molecule as blood but the metal inside is magnesium not iron . There isn’t that much of a difference as you’d think

Point is, it's not blood. Working the same is not the same as something.
Can chlorophyll be transfused into a human or animal? That's the point.

Chesterton · Aug 18, 2018

Please don't bring up plants. They are too bleeping WEIRD! As you say, they do almost everything animals do, and things that animals can't do, and they do it all without a brain or even a nervous system! WHAT ARE THEY?! They freak me out! I like asparagus, though.

Chinchilla · Aug 18, 2018

Brightmoon said:
I just read an interesting post that I couldn’t respond to on another thread . Some creationist said that plants don’t have the “ breath of life” . Now that sounds weird to me because plants do everything that animals do except walk around. They eat , breath oxygen , sleep at night, reproduce, respond to physical damage, communicate with others of the same species and insects , and some can even move rapidly, etc.

Your thoughts?

Plants don't have blood , that's why for example when Cain gave fruit of his work ( plants ) for offering it was rejected by God . Plants have no blood = no life .

Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. 4But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. 5And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man. 6Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

Deuteronomy 12:23
“Only be sure that thou eat not the blood: for the blood is the life; and thou mayest not eat the life with the flesh.”

Brightmoon · Aug 18, 2018

Chesterton said:
Please don't bring up plants. They are too bleeping WEIRD! As you say, they do almost everything animals do, and things that animals can't do, and they do it all without a brain or even a nervous system! WHAT ARE THEY?! They freak me out! I like asparagus, though.

Plants have a very primitive chemical nervous system that animals share . And they are closely related . Sometimes they remind people that they are.
Plant fiend here! the last I counted I have about 150 houseplants

Brightmoon · Aug 18, 2018

BroRoyVa79 said:
Point is, it's not blood. Working the same is not the same as something.
Can chlorophyll be transfused into a human or animal? That's the point.

Plants are close relatives . You can’t transfuse 2 humans if they have incompatible blood types so that’s not much of an argument

Chinchilla · Aug 18, 2018

Brightmoon said:
Plants are close relatives . You can’t transfuse 2 humans if they have incompatible blood types so that’s not much of an argument

You can graft branches to one tree so it can produce multiple fruits

Brightmoon · Aug 18, 2018

Chinchilla said:
You can graft branches to one tree so it can produce multiple fruits

These are all related .some plants in the Rosales can be grafted easily to other species. The so called stone fruits like cherries and prunes or also the apples quinces and pears are closely related and can be grafted easily .

Chesterton · Aug 18, 2018

Brightmoon said:
Plants have a very primitive chemical nervous system that animals share . And they are closely related . Sometimes they remind people that they are.

Yeah, but for the amazing things they do, chemoreception doesn't seem like a completely satisfying answer to me.

Plant fiend here! the last I counted I have about 150 houseplants

Wow, that's either very small plants or a very big house.

BroRoyVa79 · Aug 18, 2018

Brightmoon said:
Plants are close relatives . You can’t transfuse 2 humans if they have incompatible blood types so that’s not much of an argument

You can't transfuse the same type of blood in humans, but it is still blood. You can't transfuse Chlorophyll because it's not blood, it does not work the same way in humans and animals that blood does. It works similar only in plants. Like I said, similarity does not make something the same thing, it's just a similarity. In fact, some explain it can be toxic to humans and animals if not inserted into the body properly. It is still much of an argument.

Chlorophyll does not mean plants have the "breath of life" in them. The difference is in how humans today define what life is versus in the past or even God who created all things. Just because we come along some thousands of years later and categorize things does not make it necessarily so. We're not going to be the end all be all of all knowledge.

Brightmoon · Aug 18, 2018

BroRoyVa79 said:
You can't transfuse the same type of blood in humans, but it is still blood. You can't transfuse Chlorophyll because it's not blood, it does not work the same way in humans and animals that blood does. It works similar only in plants. Like I said, similarity does not make something the same thing, it's just a similarity. In fact, some explain it can be toxic to humans and animals if not inserted into the body properly. It is still much of an argument.

Chlorophyll does not mean plants have the "breath of life" in them. The difference is in how humans today define what life is versus in the past or even God who created all things. Just because we come along some thousands of years later and categorize things does not make it necessarily so. We're not going to be the end all be all of all knowledge.

Yet you take aspirin. My ancestors used to chew willow bark to get the pain relief. Aspirin is derived originally from willow bark. Some plant compounds do work in people . And they work because WE ARE RELATED!

BroRoyVa79 · Aug 18, 2018

Brightmoon said:
Yet you take aspirin. My ancestors used to chew willow bark to get the pain relief. Aspirin is derived originally from willow bark. Some plant compounds do work in people . And they work because WE ARE RELATED!

I just said depending on how it is inserted in the body it can be toxic. You are sort of twisting my words here. I never said a person can't put plant material in their body. That'd be absurd since we eat plants. I never said animals can't put plant material in their body. Again, that'd be absurd because they eat plants.

I'm pointing out Chlorophyll and Blood are not the same simply because they have similarities.
I will agree we are related in the sense we have the same Creator and are created with similar material. Otherwise, you would have to clarify what you mean by "we are related."
Also, a relationship does not necessarily mean the same. I'm related to my mother, but I am not the same as my mother. I'm related to my son, but I am not the same as my son, nor is he the same as me.

Brightmoon · Aug 18, 2018

Chesterton said:
Yeah, but for the amazing things they do, chemoreception doesn't seem like a completely satisfying answer to me.

Wow, that's either very small plants or a very big house.

Small plants lotta windows . One of the reasons I accepted evolution from a young age is because of those houseplants. Most of the easily grown ones are related to philodendrons. And it’s kinda obvious that sansevieria( snake plants) monstera ( Swiss cheese plant) , scindapsus ( pothos ) philodendrons , dieffenbachia (dumb cane),Aglaonema (Chinese evergreen) and epipremnum( devils ivy) are related .

If you like plants these 2 are easy to grow but they look difficult . Aglaomena ( Chinese evergreen) regular potting soil , water once a week . Near a window

Brightmoon · Aug 18, 2018

BroRoyVa79 said:
I just said depending on how it is inserted in the body it can be toxic. You are sort of twisting my words here. I never said a person can't put plant material in their body. That'd be absurd since we eat plants. I never said animals can't put plant material in their body. Again, that'd be absurd because they eat plants.

I'm pointing out Chlorophyll and Blood are not the same simply because they have similarities.
I will agree we are related in the sense we have the same Creator and are created with similar material. Otherwise, you would have to clarify what you mean by "we are related."
Also, a relationship does not necessarily mean the same. I'm related to my mother, but I am not the same as my mother. I'm related to my son, but I am not the same as my son, nor is he the same as me.

. Sure that is why we don’t look or act like plants even though we’re cousins to them . That lineage split from the animal/fungi lineage when we were both still unicellular back during the Precambrian. That’s a long time ago

If plants weren’t distant cousins I doubt that you would be able to digest them

BroRoyVa79 · Aug 18, 2018

Brightmoon said:
. Sure that is why we don’t look or act like plants even though we’re cousins to them . That lineage split from the animal/fungi lineage when we were both still unicellular back during the Precambrian. That’s a long time ago

If plants weren’t distant cousins I doubt that you would be able to digest them

Well, I now understand where you are coming from. I don't agree with Evolution. Too many holes in the theory so I don't see us as related to plants in that way. That would be your first major disagreement with any Creationist. You see the origin of the world differently than they do. It is a never going to match up for you with them. I would think an honest approach would be to admit first and foremost, Evolution, although sold to the public and portrayed in academia as perfect, is not a perfect theory of the origin of the universe. Even some Evolutionists criticize it.

Chesterton · Aug 18, 2018

Brightmoon said:
Small plants lotta windows . One of the reasons I accepted evolution from a young age is because of those houseplants. Most of the easily grown ones are related to philodendrons. And it’s kinda obvious that sansevieria( snake plants) monstera ( Swiss cheese plant) , scindapsus ( pothos ) philodendrons , dieffenbachia (dumb cane),Aglaonema (Chinese evergreen) and epipremnum( devils ivy) are related .

Are you familiar with any of the plant memory experiments? Fascinating stuff.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...emember-this-one-seems-to-heres-the-evidence/

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