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So here's the synopsis.
I just got released from the hospital for alcohol poisoning. My BAC was .38 after charcoal and gastric lavage and potassium down to 2.9.

I am bulimic. I never thought it was a big deal until they said I could go into cardiac arrest at any point because of my potassium level.

I am an alcoholic, and have tried and failed to subside in this.

I am still throwing up and still drinking, and I do know what the outcome will be, yet I am testing fate.

If I die in this way, would it be considered suicide?

I ask this because I am a firm believer in those who commit suicide going to hell, period.
 

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Alcoholism plus bulimia is a slow and painful death. Have you tried alcohol treatment? Are you in therapy? Have you gone to Alcoholics Anonymous, or Celebrate Recovery? These are resources available to you, IF, BIG IF, you want to stop the drinking and the bulimic behaviors. Will it be easy? H*** no. But it will be worth it. You have to decide. Do you want to live or die? Until you decide the answer to that question, you will only be spinning your wheels.

I am being so blunt because I have been there and done that so many times, just not in the ER. I finally got to the point where I didn't want to die and have my kids look at my grave in disappointment because I had a choice. I want to leave a Godly legacy for them to look back on. I am a fighter, determined to glorify God in the end, no matter what it takes.

I have been bulimic, and a binge eater, I have been sexually abused, raised by a violent alcoholic father and bipolar mother. I have been in a terrible marriage and then abandoned when things got better. I have cut myself and taken overdoses. I have drunk till I blacked out and woke with men in my bed who used me for sex.

My point is, God has changed my life for the better. Right now things are really rough for me, BUT, I am determined to not give in to Satan's tricks. Am I perfect? No, but I am better than I ever was before. I haven't had a drink in 4 and a half years. I haven't cut in over a year. I am not sharing this to glorify anyone but Christ.

Hugs,
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Suicide is one of the hardest questions. It's hard to say what really happens, and if there are different types of suicides, but since you fear hell, and hence believe in God, why risk it? It will certainly cause pain to those around you.

*** Why are you drinking ? *** You need to figure that out, preferably with the help of an experienced professional. You should also look for reasons to stop drinking, and for reasons to go on.

I know I must sound like a broken record or something similar in your ears, but there really is "light at the end of the tunnel."With God's help you can overcome this addiction. Don't give in! Stand strong! The Bible is full of promises of goodness towards His people. If you believe in God, you must also believe in those!

From personal experience I know that when God helps you overcome an addiction, he also fills you with something completely different. There might be times when you're weak, but for the majority of the time you won't even want to look back at whatever enslaved you in the past.

God has something much better in store for you than whatever alcohol can offer. This you can believe.

I will be praying for you. May God bless you

P.S madison1101 posted some really good advice about seeking help, please make use of it.
 
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For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have three months life? or was it six months? oh wait, I think it's eternal life, which is like.....a really long time ;)

If you agree that you have eternal life, how can you "un-have" it :) ...you'd have to finish living out your eternal life first right? so, only AFTER living forever, are you free to go to hell, but who wants to....it's so hot...and sweating just sucks....
 
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One I don't necessairly believe you go to hell for suicide. Yes it is a strong possibility, but Jesus told us there was only one unforgiveable sin and did not say it was suicide. I once believed that suicide was an auotmatic trip to hell until one conversation with a guy who might well be a prophet convinced me otherwise.

Two now that we have talked about that I would like to help you find ways of changing. Do you want to change? If there was a way to change this, would you? Even if you think it is not possible, would you want to be different from the person you are now? If you were to be shown a way to change from an expert, would you follow the advice to the best of your ability? Are you willing to look at and consider some maybe odd sources of information?
 
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OddBeani said:
So here's the synopsis.
I just got released from the hospital for alcohol poisoning. My BAC was .38 after charcoal and gastric lavage and potassium down to 2.9.

I am bulimic. I never thought it was a big deal until they said I could go into cardiac arrest at any point because of my potassium level.

I am an alcoholic, and have tried and failed to subside in this.

I am still throwing up and still drinking, and I do know what the outcome will be, yet I am testing fate.

If I die in this way, would it be considered suicide?
I ask this because I am a firm believer in those who commit suicide going to hell, period.

OddBeani-

You're testing fate, is like testing God, but God is really testing you. I had a friend at the age of 17 commit suicide, she was an alcoholic and she overdosed on some prescription drugs and other drugs that were labeled, "Avoid Alcohol Beverages" she mixed everything together and caused herself internal bleeding and she died.
Now do you believe she went to Heaven?
The answer is no.
Everyday I rehash this.
I want you to rethink what your body goes through, are you apart of Satan's chess board? Will he use you until he reaches the end of the board and says, "Check Mate!" Then if you body falls your own soul will belong to him forever. The thing is, he is going to pull you away from God, and he is already succeeding. But you are rebelling your body by becoming ill, you're manifesting death by desire. You probably feel a rush when you drink, knowingly if you do it again and again how much closer will you get to death? Depression and suicide lives within the heart, when your heart beats, it's like depression and suicide are knocking to come in. So becoming bulimic and drinking invites the sorrow in. You desire to throw away your problems instead of facing them, so as God sits on the sidelines and watches you suffer he waits for you to call on him, but instead Satan has so much control over you, he has become the coach and is now directing your thoughts and view on life as seeing suicide. Life is not a game. The thing is we become the Everyday Fool, we look for solutions to get us out of addictions or problems, yet in today's World we are taught to Forget God, look for the problems elsewhere, which is becoming the mistake everywhere. So by drinking, your body thirst is over, and your whole world spins into a different direction, if I were you I'd rethink everything. You're at that peak when thinking suicide will get you out of this, but only return you regain Hell, the eternal place of torture. Will you then beg God to hear you when he was on the sidelines all this time? Ask God what is this that you are feeling? Can this be resloved? The thing is you have TWO problems, but you cannot find the solution, and try reading the Bible, but make sure you do not close the Word of God because either you don't undertsand the Word, or you chose not to listen what the Word means, instead I would just kneel down and pray to Christ first and seek his guidance what the Word means, also when you feel the temptation of drinking or vomiting, have you ever screamed, "Get behind me Satan?" See how quickly a strange feeling will leave you alone and then you will say, "I am a Child of God," two different things will appeal to you, and two different feelings will come and go.
Life is not a game, people play like it is, lives are on the line, solutions are never found, because people discover their own way of solving this, why God is tossed into the shadows of peoples sorrow and pain, they truly forget his hand was extended out to them all along and by that time, everything will be too late.
 
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OddBeani:

I wish we all could reach right through this forum and give you a huge group hug. We all care so much about you and we all hate to see you hurt yourself.

Remember: Your body is the temple of God. The alcohol is excessive and the bulemia is also excessive. You are in a sense tearing down God's temple.

I wish you could get to a place where you love Jesus so much that you will keep His temple healthy. I will pray for this specific love to come to pass.

We care about you. We need you here and healthy. You have a ministry to share with others who have been through what you have been through. You have a ministry to share your stuggles. Take care of you.
Your ministry is so important and makes a difference. It helps others.

God Bless. I will pray.

Kim
 
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RubiesFire1382 said:
OddBeani-

You're testing fate, is like testing God, but God is really testing you. I had a friend at the age of 17 commit suicide, she was an alcoholic and she overdosed on some prescription drugs and other drugs that were labeled, "Avoid Alcohol Beverages" she mixed everything together and caused herself internal bleeding and she died.
Now do you believe she went to Heaven?
The answer is no.
Everyday I rehash this.
I want you to rethink what your body goes through, are you apart of Satan's chess board? Will he use you until he reaches the end of the board and says, "Check Mate!" Then if you body falls your own soul will belong to him forever. The thing is, he is going to pull you away from God, and he is already succeeding. But you are rebelling your body by becoming ill, you're manifesting death by desire. You probably feel a rush when you drink, knowingly if you do it again and again how much closer will you get to death? Depression and suicide lives within the heart, when your heart beats, it's like depression and suicide are knocking to come in. So becoming bulimic and drinking invites the sorrow in. You desire to throw away your problems instead of facing them, so as God sits on the sidelines and watches you suffer he waits for you to call on him, but instead Satan has so much control over you, he has become the coach and is now directing your thoughts and view on life as seeing suicide. Life is not a game. The thing is we become the Everyday Fool, we look for solutions to get us out of addictions or problems, yet in today's World we are taught to Forget God, look for the problems elsewhere, which is becoming the mistake everywhere. So by drinking, your body thirst is over, and your whole world spins into a different direction, if I were you I'd rethink everything. You're at that peak when thinking suicide will get you out of this, but only return you regain Hell, the eternal place of torture. Will you then beg God to hear you when he was on the sidelines all this time? Ask God what is this that you are feeling? Can this be resloved? The thing is you have TWO problems, but you cannot find the solution, and try reading the Bible, but make sure you do not close the Word of God because either you don't undertsand the Word, or you chose not to listen what the Word means, instead I would just kneel down and pray to Christ first and seek his guidance what the Word means, also when you feel the temptation of drinking or vomiting, have you ever screamed, "Get behind me Satan?" See how quickly a strange feeling will leave you alone and then you will say, "I am a Child of God," two different things will appeal to you, and two different feelings will come and go.
Life is not a game, people play like it is, lives are on the line, solutions are never found, because people discover their own way of solving this, why God is tossed into the shadows of peoples sorrow and pain, they truly forget his hand was extended out to them all along and by that time, everything will be too late.
I disagree. Salvation is once for all. Once you accept Christ as Savior, you are sealed, your name is written in the Lamb's Book of Life, with Permanent Marker, not erasable pen. Romans 8:38-39 says that nothing can separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus, not even our behavior. Suicide cannot take you out of Christ's grasp.
 
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Silent Poet said:
Two now that we have talked about that I would like to help you find ways of changing. Do you want to change? If there was a way to change this, would you? Even if you think it is not possible, would you want to be different from the person you are now? If you were to be shown a way to change from an expert, would you follow the advice to the best of your ability? Are you willing to look at and consider some maybe odd sources of information?


I would certainly accept help. In fact, I began alcohol treatment yesterday, at least I went for signup and have my first counseling session next Tuesday.

As for the bulimia, I do not feel I can stop that, as I have tried so many times before.

I thank you all. I mean that.
 
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OddBeani said:
I would certainly accept help. In fact, I began alcohol treatment yesterday, at least I went for signup and have my first counseling session next Tuesday.

As for the bulimia, I do not feel I can stop that, as I have tried so many times before.

I thank you all. I mean that.
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Good for you. Right now, focus on your alcoholism recovery. Do what the therapist suggests. Try to at least limit the bulimic episodes to one a day if you can, instead of several a day, or reduce them in some way. The most important thing is to take baby steps toward recovery, but go for total abstinence from alcohol.

I wish I could give you hug right now. I remember how frightening it was when I first got sober and stopped drinking. But remember, you are not alone. God will never leave you nor forsake you. You are precious to Him, and He loves you with an everlasting love.

Hugs,
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OddBeani said:
I would certainly accept help. In fact, I began alcohol treatment yesterday, at least I went for signup and have my first counseling session next Tuesday.

As for the bulimia, I do not feel I can stop that, as I have tried so many times before.

I thank you all. I mean that.
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It is very good news. You see yourself as somebody who can change. Right now you are learning the power of choice and decision. I am so happy to hear this. And know this, that there will come a time when you can change your bulimia. I believe it is within you to change.

Always be willing to ask yourself "What can I do to make this more perfect?" "What can I do to get closer to being the person I want to be?" "What good did I learn today?" "How am I better now than before?" Always ask yourself questions that lead you to a better tommorow.
 
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madison1101 said:
I disagree. Salvation is once for all. Once you accept Christ as Savior, you are sealed, your name is written in the Lamb's Book of Life, with Permanent Marker, not erasable pen. Romans 8:38-39 says that nothing can separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus, not even our behavior. Suicide cannot take you out of Christ's grasp.
Does that mean you can sin after you've accepted Christ ?
 
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To the OP:

I asked my Priest about this issue a bit ago. It was similar: I said if someone had an addiction and died from it would it be suicide. At the end of that discussion, I came to the conclusion that Christ understand's our hearts and our intensions.

Think of what St. Paul said: "I do what I shouldn't do, and what I should do, I do not do". (paraphrase from memory). St. Paul was saying that even he sinned and even he struggled with habits that were sinful. (*I suspect he said an angry thought when he should have said nothing or did not pray when he should have prayed, not some of the bad things I have done or do.)

But the message of Christ is to repent and to take up our cross to follow him. I don't believe that it is suicide if you are trying to stop even after failing over and over.

Just don't give up the good fight!
 
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