Planned Parenthood on the run

[2002 Christian]

Planned Parenthood on the run

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27780

 

[seebs]

The URL got snipped.

Having poked around, all I can say is, I'm glad. The site in question is venemous and hateful beyond belief.

Don't mind me, though. Mind the pregnant woman a friend of mine knows who was pushed to the sidewalk by anti-abortion protesters, "peacefully" expressing their belief that it would be better for her to miscarry than see her doctor about ensuring the continued health of her baby.

Sorry, but I have a lot more sympathy for Planned Parenthood than anyone else in this picture. They may *tolerate* abortions, and perform them, but they are doing a lot more to reduce the number of abortions in the world than most of the people out their picketing to show how hateful Christians can be.

 

[2002 Christian]

The link works. Try it now.

 

[Susan]

Abortion is an act of first degree homicide. As for the other "services" Planned Parenthood provides, such as birth control and "legal services" (which means giving licenses to kill and leave home and family). . .
horrible.
And Seebs, if your friend of a friend is not just a pro-abortion urban legend your friend told you, and really does exist, and she was not seeking abortion, she could have had her examination anywhere other than at an abortion clinic.

 

[seebs]

She was going to the absolute best place she could for neonatal care. Planned Parenthood provides *EXCELLENT* services for expectant mothers, or people who would like to become mothers.

I don't like abortion at all, but I think that the way in which many people deal with that is *HORRIBLY* destructive, much worse than abortion itself.

The point of the story is that, if these protesters had *ANY* genuine concern about babies, pushing pregnant women to the ground would *NEVER* happen. In fact, it happens *fairly often*, which is why there are police lines at some clinics.

While there are many good reasons to be opposed to abortion (some of which I agree with), I have never seen people picketing clinics who were good, honest, or loving in any way; they were there to try to hurt people they didn't like, and right and wrong didn't figure into it.

 

[Ray K]

Originally posted by 2002 Christian
Planned Parenthood on the run

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27780

Let me give you an idea about how distorted and biased the WorldNetDaily website is.

Here's some of their unbiased comments:
"this detestable organization..."
"more often than not the organization conspires to conceal the crime involved..."
"even a cursory look at the site shows some disturbingly graphic advice that would alarm many parents"

Let me tell you, I did what probably few other people did who read that article: I clicked on the link to the Planned Parenthood website just so I could read this horrible information first-hand.

http://www.plannedparenthood.org

Since the article focused on teen advice, I first went to a "Teen Issues" page under "Health Info". Go to this page:

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/teens/index.html

Just read the article called "Is Abstinence Right for You Now?". After reading that WorldNetDaily story, you would be stunned to read that article! Here are some quotes from it:

"Continuous abstinence is 100 percent effective in preventing pregnancy. It also prevents sexually transmitted infection."

"Sexual relationships present physical and emotional risks. Abstinence is a very good way to postpone taking those risks until you are able to handle them."

Oh, the HORRORS! Lock up your daughters!!!

Look at the next article: "Teen Sex? It's OK to Say No Way! "

There are plenty more articles. I advise you to read them if you want to form an opinion on Planned Parenthood, not WorldNetDaily.

By the way, I am in general against abortion. However, I also think that my opinion as a guy means very little in this debate.

 

[MissytheButterfly]

Originally posted by Ray K


Let me give you an idea about how distorted and biased the WorldNetDaily website is.

Here's some of their unbiased comments:
"this detestable organization..."
"more often than not the organization conspires to conceal the crime involved..."
"even a cursory look at the site shows some disturbingly graphic advice that would alarm many parents"

Let me tell you, I did what probably few other people did who read that article: I clicked on the link to the Planned Parenthood website just so I could read this horrible information first-hand.

http://www.plannedparenthood.org

Since the article focused on teen advice, I first went to a "Teen Issues" page under "Health Info". Go to this page:

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/teens/index.html

Just read the article called "Is Abstinence Right for You Now?". After reading that WorldNetDaily story, you would be stunned to read that article! Here are some quotes from it:

"Continuous abstinence is 100 percent effective in preventing pregnancy. It also prevents sexually transmitted infection."

"Sexual relationships present physical and emotional risks. Abstinence is a very good way to postpone taking those risks until you are able to handle them."

Oh, the HORRORS! Lock up your daughters!!!

Look at the next article: "Teen Sex? It's OK to Say No Way! "

There are plenty more articles. I advise you to read them if you want to form an opinion on Planned Parenthood, not WorldNetDaily.

By the way, I am in general against abortion. However, I also think that my opinion as a guy means very little in this debate.

Dear Ray, I certainly think you have EVERY right to voice your opinion on abortion and just because you are a man doesn't mean that you shouildn't be allowed to say something.

Actually, I commend you as a man actually caring about what the majority considers a "woman's" issue. I also commend you on subscribing to the facts! I think your post was excellent.

Missy

 

[seebs]

I think a lot of people assume that men aren't qualified to have opinions, because the issue "doesn't affect us". I think that, in general, all people are qualified to form opinions on moral issues - but not qualified to force them on other people.

So, I personally think abortion is almost certainly murder, or close to it, but I'm pro-choice for legal purposes. I'd rather have people make an informed decision than be coerced by my personal moral judgement. I also think that, on the whole, abortion rates go down when the best places to get abortions are also the best places to get advice about how not to end up wanting them, and get referred to places who will happily take children for adoption.

 

[Susan]

How would you feel if hiring hit men was legal?
Oh, it's a "matter of choice."
In such a scenario, let's say that your wife was unhappy with you and didn't want to go through "all that divorce mess." so instead she makes a call to "Husband Disposal Services," whose slogan is "No Unwanted Husbands Need Stay In This World." She asks the state to reimburse her for this "safe and easy procedure," and they must, since after all it is "her choice and a matter of privacy."
Then one day when you are going to work, the hit man attacks. You survive, but is help called? No. You are left to die as you were "unwanted."
Think this sounds far-fetched? I will admit it is a bit so, however the exact thing happens to children every day. Only they are murdered with poisons and knives rather than guns, and they cannot fight back, cannot speak at all.
And if it keeps going, who can say that older people, the disabled, and even someday unwanted spouses will not become legalized targets of homicide?

 

[Susan]

BTW The above post was made to show the evil of abortion and NOT to condone murder in any way.
Just to be perfectly clear.

 

[MissytheButterfly]

Originally posted by Susan
And if it keeps going, who can say that older people, the disabled, and even someday unwanted spouses will not become legalized targets of homicide?

I seriously doubt that will happen in America because abortions are performed because some don't consider a fetus an actual baby because it cannot survive outside the womb.

Many that are pro-choice consider a fetus as part of the woman so they rationalize that the fetus is a part of her body and she should make the choices for it. Older people, the disabled, and unwanted spouses are all considered to be humans that can function outside of the womb, there for are separate from the mother.

For whatever reason, those that make laws do mot consider abortion murder but do consider the killing of a human that can function outside the womb murder.

I understand your points, but I think you logic is somewhat questionable.


Missy

 

[seebs]

Originally posted by Susan
How would you feel if hiring hit men was legal?

I would think that to be a very different case.

It is possible for a person, having thought long and hard about what "life" means, to conclude that a fetus is not "a human life" yet.

I will admit it is a bit so, however the exact thing happens to children every day. Only they are murdered with poisons and knives rather than guns, and they cannot fight back, cannot speak at all.
And if it keeps going, who can say that older people, the disabled, and even someday unwanted spouses will not become legalized targets of homicide?

The slippery slope argument, in this case, runs up against a clear indication that there's a big difference between something that's clearly a living person, and something that people can have debates about. Now, some people might argue that the gap comes at conception, others maybe at three months, or even six months... some even teach that the "personhood" happens, in a way, *before* conception, and that birth control is thus immoral.

However, unwanted spouses are in a different category *entirely*. There's no debate about whether or not they're really "people".

The abortion debate, in the end, is primarily about the question of "what constitutes a person". This question cannot easily be answered; while God knew us before we were formed, He knew us before the first humans had fire, so that doesn't tell us when we become "alive".

Anyway, obviously, hiring hit men for unwanted spouses will never happen. It'll be an add-on to the recycling program; in rich neighborhoods, there will always be a few middle-aged women sitting in the recycling bins, sobbing, as their husbands take their new trophy wives out to show them off. That wouldn't be such a change from what we have today, and who knows, it might even remind people that serial monogamy is not a particularly benevolent status symbol.

 

[Susan]

It all depends on what your worldview is.
As for me I am a theological and moral conservative and I believe in literal 7-day Creation, not evolution and humanism.
And yes, I am a Protestant, but I thoroughly believe birth control to be immoral also. If you don't want to have children, then practice abstinence.

 

[Satoshi]

Originally posted by Susan
It all depends on what your worldview is.
As for me I am a theological and moral conservative and I believe in literal 7-day Creation, not evolution and humanism.

Please don't attempt to conflate your apparent distrust in science with your stance on abortion.

And yes, I am a Protestant, but I thoroughly believe birth control to be immoral also. If you don't want to have children, then practice abstinence.

This is like saying that if you don't want head injury from crashing, you shouldn't drive--therefore seatbelts are immoral.

 

[seebs]

I don't think it depends on your worldview - God's will doesn't vary much. I do, however, have substantial doubts about the reliability with which we identify God's will.

I don't currently believe that birth control is immoral, but I'm pretty sure abortion is immoral. However, I would rather see an organization like Planned Parenthood, than see coat-hanger abortions performed by people who have no interest in promoting other options. The people at Planned Parenthood have done a lot to get people to think more seriously about the real risks of sex, and they aren't afraid to suggest abstinence as a viable and good option.

 

[Susan]

This is NOT what matters most. What matters most is that you believe in Jesus.
The other stuff is important, but let's not lose the forest for the trees or a soul for a debate.
peace

 

[coastie]

Planned parenthood has some seriously dangerous lobyists that we need to be very careful of.

One BIG problem I have with PP is that they endorse and lobby for minors to be allowed to (without consent or even parental notification) have an abortion. What message does this send to kids "have sex but use discretion when dealing with the consequences".

This is sad and potentially very damaging as this gives abortion a more user friendly persona in which may be used as false pretenses (such as abortion = birth control).

Planned Parenthood's original mission and some of it's prgrams are fantastic, but changes need to be made.

 

[PapaSmurf]

If freedom is important to you, and not dictioral religious doctrine, why cant you accept that it is not your job to judge? Jesus did say, he who is sinless may cast the first stone. Turn the other cheek and judge not least ye be judged.

It seems to me that you have a hard time giving people their own freedom. Go live as a christian in Iran or Iraq and feel the effects of oppression and then justify your needless intollerance of others.

 

[seebs]

Originally posted by coastie

One BIG problem I have with PP is that they endorse and lobby for minors to be allowed to (without consent or even parental notification) have an abortion. What message does this send to kids "have sex but use discretion when dealing with the consequences".

To some kids, it sends the message "No, we don't think your dad should beat you senseless again."

I don't approve of kids getting abortions, but I also don't approve of some of the alternatives, especially given the existance of abusive parents.

 

[coastie]

Originally posted by PapaSmurf
If freedom is important to you, and not dictioral religious doctrine, why cant you accept that it is not your job to judge? Jesus did say, he who is sinless may cast the first stone. Turn the other cheek and judge not least ye be judged.

It seems to me that you have a hard time giving people their own freedom. Go live as a christian in Iran or Iraq and feel the effects of oppression and then justify your needless intollerance of others.

Who are you?.

I have hard time giving people their own freedom? Let's examine that, brother. Let's give minors the right to make decisions that may affect the rest of their lives. No I think that is absolutely ludicrous. At 14 through 17 I didn't have the common sense God gave a goat, like I think that these kids who have already proven that they are foolish and immature are ready to make a decision on whether or not they should take a human life.

I'm not judging anyone, I'm saying that this is wrong. Right and wrong is something that God gave us the ability to see, why would I want to not use this ability to better society.

Finally...

why cant you accept that it is not your job to judge?

do you even know me?

Maybe you should consider your advice on a more personal level.

Go live as a christian in Iran or Iraq and feel the effects of oppression and then justify your needless intollerance of others.

Where is all of this anger stemming from? I think you may be a little worked up, take a deep breath. The personal attack was not warranted.

God Bless,

Zach