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Ben_Hur

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Ok, my wife asked me this one and I really don't have a good scriptural answer.

If demons are angels, and they can possess swine (like when Jesus cast the demons from that guy and they went into the swine), then can/do angels (non-fallen angels) inhabit animals like dogs, cats, etc.?

Could we be entertaining angels in our pets?

So then her followup question is almost predictable... If angels do inhabit our pets, will the pets go to heaven?

I'm looking for some scriptural backing. I can't think of any to support the arguments either way.
 

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I think the key answer here is Jesus cast the fallen angels (demons) into the pigs. It seems to me IF the demons could go into the pigs on there own they would have done so...but they didn't. Maybe animals don't have something that only human's have, that can cause them to be possessed...I don't know.

I also don't know why one of the Lord's angels would want to 'posses' an animal in the first place..that would be incrediably restrictive compare to what freedom of movement they are used to in the first place.

I can look further into this if you want on a commatary on these passage about Jesus casting the demon's into the pigs. I can't think of, off hand, of any animals in the bible being possessed by demons that weren't 'put' there by God or Jesus or the Holy Spirit.

God bless
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whitestar said:
I think the key answer here is Jesus cast the fallen angels (demons) into the pigs. It seems to me IF the demons could go into the pigs on there own they would have done so...but they didn't. Maybe animals don't have something that only human's have, that can cause them to be possessed...I don't know.

I also don't know why one of the Lord's angels would want to 'posses' an animal in the first place..that would be incrediably restrictive compare to what freedom of movement they are used to in the first place.

I can look further into this if you want on a commatary on these passage about Jesus casting the demon's into the pigs. I can't think of, off hand, of any animals in the bible being possessed by demons that weren't 'put' there by God or Jesus or the Holy Spirit.

God bless
whitestar

yeah, Jesus cast the demons into the swine, so it was Jesus who drove them in there.
 
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Mat 8:31 And the demons begged Him, saying, If You cast us out, allow us to go away into the herd of swine.

Mat 8:32 And He said to them, Go! And when they had come out, they went into the herd of swine. And behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea and perished in the waters.

Looks like the demons could go into the swine on their own, but Jesus had to allow it first.

So I guess the question is, would Jesus allow an angel to go into an animal? If so, we would probably never know it.
 
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I lost my little dog earlier in the year and really miss her. I asked my sis-in-law, who is much more learned than I am, about Sallie going to heaven and she said..... "no". Dogs are not well respected in the Bible. Her feeling was that we would be much too busy to take care of pets. She does feel that horses will be in heaven, but I don't care for horses! LOL! \

Also, Sallie was fun, great company, etc., but she was NO angel! :angel:
 
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Brain Damage said:
Iv'e always wondered what jews were doing farming pigs in the first place.


Deuteronomy 14:8 The pig is also unclean; although it has a split hoof, it does not chew the cud. You are not to eat their meat or touch their carcasses.
Ironically, our pastor just covered this today. It has to do with the tribes that stayed on that side of the Jordan river back in Joshua. Pagans had infiltrated that land and indeed, this is why Jesus didn't have problem letting the demons send the pigs into the water. They should have had no need for swine.
 
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Thanks Ben.

I asked this question on another board and here is what one guy said , it gave me a laugh. :)


Quote - I've heard it proposed that by Jesus sending the demons into the herders' pigs and the pigs drowning, that it was kind of like today if he flushed a drug dealers supply down the toilet. In one swoop he took care of two demon possessed men and took out an illegal business.
 
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Brain Damage said:
Iv'e always wondered what jews were doing farming pigs in the first place.


Deuteronomy 14:8 The pig is also unclean; although it has a split hoof, it does not chew the cud. You are not to eat their meat or touch their carcasses.
The DECAPOLIS [or ten cities] was NOT a Jewish land, it was totally Hellenised and not considered part of Judea or Galillee.

Pigs were raised by the locals for sale to the Greeks who were the majority population, and for the Roman legions.

The Decapolis was a ten-city Greco-Roman federation, or league, occupying all of Bashan and Gilead in northeastern Palestine. The territory was contiguous except for Damascus which some believe to have been an honorary member. Eusebius records it as the region around Hippos, Pella, and Gadara (Eusebius, Onomasticon, s.v). Created under Pompey the Great, about 64-63 BCE as part of his eastern settlement, the league provided a formidable means of defense on the eastern frontier of the empire. Such leagues existed in other parts of the Roman empire for purposes of trade and mutual protection.
 
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Fertile soil and temperate climate encouraged the practice of intensive agriculture throughout the region. The presence of a significant Greek population, who settled in the region at the time of Alexander the Great and the Seleucids, is consistent with there being swine kept by the people of Decapolis (see Mark 5:11, 15:13, 5:20).

Cultural conflict continually plagued this region. The Greeks, intolerant of any physical imperfection and adhering to dualism, differed from the native Semitic populations in diet, in philosophy, in worship, and in other basic lifeways. For the Greeks the circumcision practiced by the Arabs and Jews was a profanation of the living temple wherein the immortal soul dwells. Mutilation of the human temple constituted despicable conduct and bizarre sacrilege. Moreover, in Hellenistic culture the open display, such as in the games or in the public baths, of a mutilated sex organ exposing the glands penis was obscene. To the Greek mind such behavior was lewd and indecent. This essentially excluded Semitic peoples from the venue of the public baths for matters of business and commerce.​

Homosexuality was a well-accepted pattern of behavior in Greek culture. The games, such as those at Olympia, promoted homosexuality and cultic activity, the classical academies included homosexual philosophical apprenticeships, and the military utilized homosexual erotic apprenticeships to foster formation of close-knit teams of warriors. Semitic peoples, observant of such customs and particularly of Greek males satiating themselves with homosexual acts with boys and practicing anal intercourse with their wives, regarded them as unclean, barbaric pedophiles, and sodomites. The Jews particularly saw the widespread practice of Greek homosexual behavior as idolatrous and repugnant. They held the Greeks in contempt and attempted to expel them to remove the uncleanness from the land whenever they could.​

These irreconcilable cultural differences resulted in numerous clashes between Greeks and the Jews. For example, when the Hasmonean ruler of Israel, Alexander Jannaeus, conquered Pella he sought to compel its people to repudiate their idolatrous religions and to embrace the law of Moses, as proselytes, or face banishment. They refused so Jannaeus had the city set afire thoroughly destroying it (Josephus, Ant., bk. XII, ch. xv, sec. 4). The league provided the Greek settlements a means for trade and a mutual defense system capable of resisting any military intrusions of the Jews, Nabatians, or other indigenous peoples.​
http://www.bibarch.com/ArchaeologicalSites/Decapolis.htm
 
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Hi there!


:wave:

If I could add a couple of comments.


First, the previous posting is correct, that the west side of the Galilee was the Jewish side and the east side, or "the other side", was the Gentile side. Pigs were raised on the Gentile side of the Galilee because there is an abundance of water that could be taken from the Sea of Galilee and at times from the Wadi Samak.

The swine were not being herded for the benefit of the Jew, but as a product for the Gentile.



But that doesn't address the original posting which inquired about angels being within animals.

The demon known as "legion" knew that should the Lord Jesus send him/them to hell, that hell would be their eternal state of being; and the "legion" was trying to persuade a means of remaining on the earth; and therfore, having the capability to posess other beings. "Legion" knew that Jesus would not permit them to enter another person in His presence, and the only other physical form that appears to be present was the herd of swine.

By being cast into the swine and then the swine drowning, the spirit of "legion" would have been sent to hell anyway.


I suppose that in taking the Bible literally that any time Jesus is walking on the Gentile side of the Galilee, He could cast demons into animals. What's missing in that picture today? Jesus walking along the Galilee.

There has to be an "open door" for a spirit to possess a being. There has to be a way "in" for that spirit, for it cannot create its own door to enter a physical body, the spirit has to be permitted into the body.


~malaka~
 
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