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He's obviously googlebombing. I've banned guys on forums for less.

I disagree. He does engage in legitimate discussion. If you make a comment, he will eventually respond, even though he's not here as frequently as some of us. He doesn't just "spam the same links"; he provides lots of different references. Maybe he has a "one-track mind", and he posts similar posts at many different websites, but in internet terms that's not much different from talking about the same thing in many different real-life social settings. You don't really have a right to tell a person to shut up unless he's in your house, so...

No I'm not defending his wacky ideas, just his right to express them.
 
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It's just an internet-age thing, get used to it. 2,000 years ago if you wanted to spread an idea, you had a choice of horse, camel or boat, and even with the utmost effort you couldn't reach the whole world in your lifetime. Now you can with a few clicks. Condemn his ideas on their merits, but don't condemn the fact that he desires to spread them.
 
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You don't really have a right to tell a person to shut up unless he's in your house, so...
Yet here you are telling me what I can and can't do.

I have the right to tell him anything I like, he has the right to ignore me.

Paste one of his lines of "legitimate discussion" into Google and see how many identical copies there are on forums around the Internet. It's all scripted.
 
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Yet here you are telling me what I can and can't do.

I have the right to tell him anything I like, he has the right to ignore me.

And now you're telling me I can't tell you what to do!? Like you, I also have the right to tell you anything I like. And you can ignore me, and I can ignore you. We can all ignore each other.

Paste one of his lines of "legitimate discussion" into Google and see how many identical copies there are on forums around the Internet. It's all scripted.

Many true and fine things are copied and scripted. Many lousy thing are. That's irrelevant.
 
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Many true and fine things are copied and scripted. Many lousy thing are. That's irrelevant.
It may be irrelevant for TV shows and politicians but this is a forum and I would say it's against the spirit of the thing, if not the law.

It's hard to have a genuine discussion when any response is going to be a scripted answer.
 
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Why is this so hard for you to understand, this is not a controversial subject. The physics community fully understands the limits of General Relativity at the planck scale. Maybe this will help:

At the Planck scale, there was a question as to whether standard quantum field theories would still be valid. There was never any question that General Relativity would still be valid, as it was already known that it must be if General Relativity is correct. The Wikipedia passages that you quote say nothing about General Relativity being invalid at the Planck scale, and if they had then they would be erroneous.

The Wikipedia passage that you quote concerns gravity not having been integrated with quantum field theory, i.e., Quantum Mechanics and the Standard Model of particle physics. It says nothing about General Relativity being invalid at the Planck scale, and if it had said that it would be incorrect.

We've known for some time that the infinities of gravitational collapse are unavoidable in General Relativity (i.e., given realistic energy conditions). As Charles W. Misner, Kip S. Thorne and John Archibald Wheeler wrote in Gravitation (San Francisco, Cal.: W. H. Freeman and Company, 1973), p. 934, "That singularities are very general phenomena, and cannot be wished away, has been known since 1965, thanks to the theorems on singularities proved by Penrose, Hawking, and Geroch."

Now that we have the Feynman-DeWitt-Weinberg quantum gravity/Standard Model Theory of Everything (TOE), gavity has been integrated with quantum field theory.

If I am not mistaken it is fully dependent on the Many Worlds view.

Like much of your mistaken notions on physics, you are also mistaken on this.


It took the physics community some 40 years to finally accept the Big Bang theory due to their displeasure with its religious implications, even though it was an unavoidable result of the standard physics since the 1930s.


Again, you're confused about physics. It's been known for a long time that the universe is very close to being flat.

You're also confused about the difference between a closed, flat, and open universe. The universe is currently accelerating in its explansion, which if this continued forever would make the universe open, not flat.

And your comments on the Krauss and Turner paper are mistaken. They were quite well-aware that experiments indicated that the universe was accelerating in its expansion. As they wrote in the paper:

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This speculation received dramatic support a year ago, with independent claims by two groups that Type 1a supernova, when used as standard candles, indicated that the expansion of the Universe is *accelerating* [3, 4]. The simplest explanation of this result is the presence of a cosmological constant. [Their emphasis.]
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But the point of their paper is that there is no set of cosmological observations that can be performed that can tell us what the ultimate fate of the universe will be. From their paper:

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The recognition that the cosmological constant may be non-zero forces us to re-evaluate standard notions about the connection between geometry and the fate of our Universe. An open Universe can recollapse, and a closed Universe can expand forever. As a corollary, we point out that there is no set of cosmological observations we can perform that will unambiguously allow us to determine what the ultimate destiny of the Universe will be.
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From Lawrence M. Krauss and Michael S. Turner, "Geometry and Destiny", General Relativity and Gravitation, Vol. 31, No. 10 (October 1999), pp. 1453-1459; also at arXiv:astro-ph/9904020, April 1, 1999. http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/9904020


As I said, one motivation for such new laws of physics which have no experimental support whatsoever is an attempt to avoid singularities, which are unavoidable in General Relativity (per the Penrose-Hawking Singularity Theorems).
 
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