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Who are you to tell the universe what kind of laws it should follow?
Neither. The actual choices are:
1) The universe obeys laws that have a random component;
I gotta stop you at number 1. It's a contradiction. I say a law with a random component is not a law.
Sorry, essential, but I am trying to pin you down here because I'm curious. Either:
1) The universe is lawless; or
2) We scientists just haven't figured out the laws yet.
Which would you say?
And we're telling you that your usage of "law" is idioscyncratic. What would you like to call the regularities of physics, including QM, that permit incredibly precise prediction and manipulation of a wide range of physical phenomena?I gotta stop you at number 1. It's a contradiction. I say a law with a random component is not a law.
I'd suggest you read some probability theoryI gotta stop you at number 1. It's a contradiction. I say a law with a random component is not a law.
Who are you to tell the universe what kind of laws it should follow?
Supposedly, Niels Bohr responded to Einstein's repeated comments that God does not play dice with the universe by saying, "Albert, stop telling God what to do with his dice." (It may not have happened, but it should have.)
Read back. This has been addressed.....So which is it? Is the universe explainable by mathematics, or is it completely random and therefore beyond the realm of mathematics and laws?....
So which is it? Is the universe explainable by mathematics
or is it completely random and therefore beyond the realm of mathematics and laws?
Obviously this is a false dilemma.
There are at least three options.
The universe is lawless.
The universe is lawful and scientists have figured out the laws.
The universe is lawful and scientists have not figured out the laws.
Now, of course, scientists have not figured out everything, but they have figured out some things. The other two options are the same thing I said.
The answer to the question, "Are some quantum mechanical processes random?" is...
Yes, and scientists understand the relevant laws that govern this randomness.
The randomness of quantum mechanics does not mean that fishcakes will explode out of cat nostrils on Guam every other Thursday.
The universe is not completely explainable if theres randomenss somewhere.Yes.
Ive heard that things like that are only likely over extreme lengths of time, like the cumulative lifetimes of a godzillion brazillion universes.An intelligent fellow on here (WiccanChild) once told me that basically yes, fishcakes can explode out of cat nostrils on Guam every other Thursday. Didn't say they will, but said they could.
And we're telling you that your usage of "law" is idioscyncratic. What would you like to call the regularities of physics, including QM, that permit incredibly precise prediction and manipulation of a wide range of physical phenomena?
[Edited to get my meaning right.]
I'd suggest you read some probability theoryit's fun and it helps with understanding a lot of things (not necessarily connected to this issue).
We have the Bernoulli trials as the most basic example.
But I'd like you to provide with a definition of the universes laws, as to try to come to a conclusion whether or not it applies to this universe and whether your conclusion follows from that.
Any kind of randomness. One random event, and the universe cannot be said to be completely explainable.What kind of randomness is it you're talking about?
Ive heard that things like that are only likely over extreme lengths of time, like the cumulative lifetimes of a godzillion brazillion universes.
You can have cause and effect, consistency and uniformity while allowing for randomness.I guess my idea of "law" involves two ideas: cause-and-effect, and consistency/uniformity. If I'm holding a ball, and release my grip, it will always fall to the ground, and will always do so because of the "law" of gravity. It should not turn into an elephant.
Cannot be said to be to be predicted to what exact event will occur.Any kind of randomness. One random event, and the universe cannot be said to be completely explainable.
Almost sounds like Orwellian double-speak.If they are random, they are un-governed.
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