Philosophically Gone

sarxweh · Jul 25, 2014

Shouldn't all the atheist vs Christianity debate stuff be in apologetics or whatever?

Why in philosophy? I guess it applies loosely, but seriously. Is this all philosophy means for most people?

"No its science! No its religion! No I said it is verifiable! But you think it needs to be!"

Good grief

I'm not asking for peace. Have the argument. But why in philosophy?

I want to "sit around and giggle" and maybe smoke a cigar, or deal with the implications of some strain of a notion in society for petesake. It could even be scientific, or religious but PHILOSOPHY ON THE PHILOSOPHY THREAD

Is that so wrong?!

Eudaimonist · Jul 25, 2014

sarxweh said:
Shouldn't all the atheist vs Christianity debate stuff be in apologetics or whatever?

Would be nice, but the General Apologetics board (where atheists were allowed to post) was removed by the moderators several years ago. They have shown no inclination to bring it back. Those discussions (involving atheists) don't have anywhere to go that is just for apologetics.

eudaimonia,

Mark

2PhiloVoid · Jul 25, 2014

sarxweh said:
Shouldn't all the atheist vs Christianity debate stuff be in apologetics or whatever?

Why in philosophy? I guess it applies loosely, but seriously. Is this all philosophy means for most people?

"No its science! No its religion! No I said it is verifiable! But you think it needs to be!"

Good grief

I'm not asking for peace. Have the argument. But why in philosophy?

I want to "sit around and giggle" and maybe smoke a cigar, or deal with the implications of some strain of a notion in society for petesake. It could even be scientific, or religious but PHILOSOPHY ON THE PHILOSOPHY THREAD

Is that so wrong?!

Basically, the field of philosophy pretty much belongs to the 'skeptics'; its their playground and historically considered was only adapted later by Christians.

In a Christian Forum website, this is as good a place as any to talk about some of these things.

Paradoxum · Jul 25, 2014

At least some arguments about God and Christianity can come under 'philosophy of religion'.

spockrates · Jul 31, 2014

sarxweh said:
Shouldn't all the atheist vs Christianity debate stuff be in apologetics or whatever?

Why in philosophy? I guess it applies loosely, but seriously. Is this all philosophy means for most people?

"No its science! No its religion! No I said it is verifiable! But you think it needs to be!"

Good grief

I'm not asking for peace. Have the argument. But why in philosophy?

I want to "sit around and giggle" and maybe smoke a cigar, or deal with the implications of some strain of a notion in society for petesake. It could even be scientific, or religious but PHILOSOPHY ON THE PHILOSOPHY THREAD

Is that so wrong?!

I agree! Where should you and I begin? Please tell me what you would like to discuss, and perhaps we may lead by example.

juvenissun · Jul 31, 2014

sarxweh said:
Shouldn't all the atheist vs Christianity debate stuff be in apologetics or whatever?

Why in philosophy? I guess it applies loosely, but seriously. Is this all philosophy means for most people?

"No its science! No its religion! No I said it is verifiable! But you think it needs to be!"

Good grief

I'm not asking for peace. Have the argument. But why in philosophy?

I want to "sit around and giggle" and maybe smoke a cigar, or deal with the implications of some strain of a notion in society for petesake. It could even be scientific, or religious but PHILOSOPHY ON THE PHILOSOPHY THREAD

Is that so wrong?!

In many small schools, philosophy and religion are put in ONE department. It is OK.

No one tells you not to talk about the philosophy of religion.

sarxweh · Jul 31, 2014

juvenissun said:
In many small schools, philosophy and religion are put in ONE department. It is OK.

No one tells you not to talk about the philosophy of religion.

What were their names?

sarxweh · Jul 31, 2014

Let's start there. The life of brian

sarxweh · Jul 31, 2014

As a starting point, what makes the life of Brian parody a "comedy", and my opinion of the world a "philosophy"?

Usus Vox Tractus · Jul 31, 2014

sarxweh said:
As a starting point, what makes the life of Brian parody a "comedy", and my opinion of the world a "philosophy"?

Think of the role of the jester....the ability to speak the truth in a comic manner so that the king does not always kill the messenger.

"Always look on the bright side of life" is a great philosophy. Does that mean ignore the dark side? Hopefully not. The injustice of the world will not go away by ignoring it. But at the end of the day, whatever side you look/dwell on will ultimate shape your trajectory.

Strivax · Aug 1, 2014

'Always look on the bright side of life' is not 'philosophy', except in the vernacular mis-sense of the word. It is, at best, a trite cliche, useless to the people who, arguably, need it the most; the clinically depressed. Presumably the intent of this commandment to optimism is to increase the sum of human happiness, which is a worthy goal. However, it could well be that on examination it necessarily fails in it's intent; which brings us to 'true' or 'real' philosophy.

True philosophy is distinguished from most of the discussions on this forum by it's employment of reasoned argument as justification for, and sole arbiter of, the truth value of an assertion. I would agree with the OP that some philosophy, in this latter sense, and even if only a smattering, would greatly improve the quality of some of the posts here evident. With respect to the bright side of life, it may just be that a sceptical realism is a better mental posture in respect of happiness than undue optimism, being that one is less likely to be wrong, and less likely to be disappointed when one is.

Best wishes, Strivax.

sarxweh · Aug 2, 2014

The pythons of this world are everywhere aren't they? Like sophists in the bushes, waiting to spring into conniptions.

I repeat, what makes something "philosophy" and not simply "parody"?

Last night my 10 year old son, asked me, "Dad, I feel like, what's the point? I could be any person in the world or anyone could live my life and what's the difference? We live and we die, and I don't see the point of it. Sometimes I feel bored and think, 'why was I even born?'"

And yet... He felt SAD about this. Ahaa...

"Why would that make you feel sad, son?"

parody

poolerboy0077 · Aug 2, 2014

It isn't that some religious threads don't philosophical merit. It's that many people on here for whatever reason make the thread discussion into a circus.

Usus Vox Tractus · Aug 2, 2014

Strivax said:
'Always look on the bright side of life' is not 'philosophy', except in the vernacular mis-sense of the word. It is, at best, a trite cliche, useless to the people who, arguably, need it the most; the clinically depressed. Presumably the intent of this commandment to optimism is to increase the sum of human happiness, which is a worthy goal. However, it could well be that on examination it necessarily fails in it's intent; which brings us to 'true' or 'real' philosophy.

True philosophy is distinguished from most of the discussions on this forum by it's employment of reasoned argument as justification for, and sole arbiter of, the truth value of an assertion. I would agree with the OP that some philosophy, in this latter sense, and even if only a smattering, would greatly improve the quality of some of the posts here evident. With respect to the bright side of life, it may just be that a sceptical realism is a better mental posture in respect of happiness than undue optimism, being that one is less likely to be wrong, and less likely to be disappointed when one is.

Best wishes, Strivax.

Excellent post! Thank blowing mine out of the water and letting me look through your deeper appreciations.

juvenissun · Aug 3, 2014

poolerboy0077 said:
It isn't that some religious threads don't philosophical merit. It's that many people on here for whatever reason make the thread discussion into a circus.

I bet you will do that too when you start to talk real philosophy to them.
Try.

Lollerskates · Aug 3, 2014

I love the purity of philosophy - where everyone can be right and wrong, sage and student all at the same time.

It is unfortunate the philosophy forum is sometimes used as a (sometimes messy) apologetics forum.

Usus Vox Tractus · Aug 3, 2014

Lollerskates said:
I love the purity of philosophy - where everyone can be right and wrong, sage and student all at the same time.

It is unfortunate the philosophy forum is sometimes used as a (sometimes messy) apologetics forum.

Conversations have a way of branching where they will, especially where there is lots of seed and lots of water....hot and cold.

Hiya Lollerskates!

PsychoSarah · Aug 3, 2014

Lollerskates said:
I love the purity of philosophy - where everyone can be right and wrong, sage and student all at the same time.

It is unfortunate the philosophy forum is sometimes used as a (sometimes messy) apologetics forum.

They got rid of the apologetics forum so...

sarxweh · Aug 3, 2014

I'm a sarxus, not a circus.

I wonder what really is the difference between "spiritualist" religion, "empirical" science, and "logical" philosophy?

All three have man at the helm, deciding what "it" is.

Sort of ironic, don't you think?

PsychoSarah · Aug 3, 2014

sarxweh said:
I'm a sarxus, not a circus.

I wonder what really is the difference between "spiritualist" religion, "empirical" science, and "logical" philosophy?

All three have man at the helm, deciding what "it" is.

Sort of ironic, don't you think?

Ironic? Not really.

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