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Acts 10:9-17
9 On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:
10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.
17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,
Let's look at what was on the sheet in Peter's vision:

Verse 12


  1. All manner of four footed beasts. Cows, donkeys, horses, pigs, sheep, goats, rabbits, camels, llamas, etc..
  2. Wild Beasts. Wolves, boars, crocodiles, etc..
  3. Creeping things. Snakes, spiders, shrimp, crabs, lobsters, etc..
  4. Fowls of the air. Eagles, owls, doves, pigeons, ducks, geese, etc..
In Peter's vision, when God says "rise up and eat" Peter gives two word responses to that command. Verse 14, "Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean".

  1. Common (koinos)
  2. Unclean (akathartos).
God's response, Verse 15 "And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common".


Peter gives two words and God responds to only one of them.


What are the differences between the two words Common (koinos) and Unclean (akathartos)?



Just putting the question out there for mulling over. :)



Until I can get back later. :wave:
 
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First we'll start with akathartos
Strong's Concordance

akathartos: unclean, impure​
Original Word: ἀκάθαρτος, ον
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: akathartos
Phonetic Spelling: (ak-ath'-ar-tos)
Short Definition: unclean, impure
Definition: unclean, impure.
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169 akáthartos (an adjective, derived from 1 /A "not" and 2513 /katharós, "clean, purged") – properly, not pure (because mixed), i.e. adulterated with "a wrong mix" and hence "unclean" (because tainted by sin).

[The antonym, 2508 /kathaírō ("clean"), means "free from wrong mixture" (unadulterated, unmixed).]

Akathartos plain and simple means unclean.
Now koinos
Strong's Concordance

koinos: common​
Original Word: κοινός, ή, όν
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: koinos
Phonetic Spelling: (koy-nos')
Short Definition: common, shared, unclean
Definition: (a) common, shared, (b) Hebraistic use: profane; dirty, unclean, unwashed.

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2839 koinós – properly, common, referring to what is defiled (stripped of specialness) because treated as ordinary ("common"). 2839 /koinós ("defiled") describes the result of a person reducing what God calls special (holy, set apart) – to what is mundane, i.e. stripping it of its sacredness.

2839 /koinós ("defiled because treated as common") is always used negatively, i.e. for what is profaned – except in Jude 1:3 where it refers to the gift of salvation shared (held in common) by all true believers.

[2839 /koinós ("common") typically refers to spiritual desecration. This happens when a person treats what is sacred (set apart to God) as ordinary ("not special").]

Koinos means common. Profane, dirty, unwashed. It meant unclean too, but was used in a different way. This usage of course would not be applied to lets say a pig since in Peter's view no amount of washing a pig and praying over it would make it clean. Since verse 12 says "all manner" we see that there were clean animals (what God had said was good for eating) on that sheet too. Why didn't Peter kill and eat any one of those animals?

When Peter referred to them as "common" there was something about what he saw with those animals (that God had said was good to eat) and Peter refused to eat it. Why? Technically scripture does not spell it out for us, however, I know that in
Rabbinical law if clean and unclean items came in contact with each other, the clean would automatically be considered "dirty" (common). In Peter's vision both clean and unclean were on the same sheet. Plus, that's the only word "common" that God took issue with. Verse 15,
15 "And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common".

Rabbinical laws are laws put in place to act as a fence around the God-made laws (to not even cross the line by accident). Laws made with all intents and purposes to help were now a burden and people were now forced to not eat things that God had said was ok. Peter had lived by that law all his life, but it was not a law that God had mandated. Peter was confused. Three times, the sheet was let down before him. Three times he told God that he could not eat anything unclean or common. Three times, God said, "What God has cleansed, do not call that common".

Then, the messengers from Cornelius (a Gentile) showed up at Peter's house to invite him for dinner and fellowship. Something that Peter, being a Jew was not allowed, according to Rabbinical law, to do.

I'll let the readers mull on this a bit and I'll continue later.
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Acts 10:
19 While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.
20 Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them.
21 Then Peter went down to the men which were sent unto him from Cornelius; and said, Behold, I am he whom ye seek: what is the cause wherefore ye are come?
22 And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.
23 Then called he them in, and lodged them. And on the morrow Peter went away with them, and certain brethren from Joppa accompanied him.


Now we see that Peter was still a bit confused as to what the dream meant when the Holy Spirit told him there were three men at his door looking for him. The Holy Spirit told him to get up, go down to greet the men and go with them, doubting nothing, because HE (the Holy Spirit) had sent the men to Peter.


Verse 21 Peter goes down to them and lets them know that he is the one they are seeking and asks them why they are there. They answered that Cornelius, the centurion had sent them (see vs 1 - 8). They described Cornelius as 1) a just man, 2) one that feared God, and 3) of good report among all the nation of Jews. The three men told Peter that Cornelius was warned from God by an angel to have Peter come to his house and to hear Peter speak.



  1. Just man: Honorable and fair in one's dealings and actions: a just ruler. See Synonyms at fair1.
  2. God Fearer: "God-fearer" (a technical term describing a Gentile that keeps most of the Torah, but stops short of ritual circumcision).
  3. Of Good report among all the Jews: A person's high standing among others

Upon hearing the men tell why they were there, Peter invited them into his house and lodged them for the night. The next day Peter and several other of his believing friends went with the three men to go to the home of Cornelius.


I'll end here for now, but I'll be back :wave:
 
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Acts 10:

24 And the morrow after they entered into Caesarea. And Cornelius waited for them, and he had called together his kinsmen and near friends.
25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.
26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.
27 And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together.


So Peter and his Jewish friends finely arrive at the house of Cornelius. Cornelius is waiting for them. Cornelius has invited several of his relatives and close friends. As Peter came in Cornelius began worshiping Peter. I find that odd but for some reason Cornelius thought it was the right thing to do. Cornelius was just a man and was probably just so overwhelmed with Peter being there that he made an error. We've all been there hav'nt we? Done things out of emotion? Did that make our relationship with God null and void? No.

Anyway, Peter quickly corrected Cornelius, telling Cornelius "get up, I myself, am just a man". Peter did not make a big deal of it and say "you're not really a righteous man after all since you worshiped me", he just continued on into the house. he came into the room where he saw a great number of people had come together and were waiting for him. Peter starts addressing the people:



28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

:) Ah, Peter now understood his vision and what it was about. God showed him that he should not call any man common or unclean.

Acts 11
1 Now the apostles and the believers[a] who were in Judea heard that the Gentiles had also accepted the word of God. 2 So when Peter went up to Jerusalem, the circumcised believers[b] criticized him, 3 saying, “Why did you go to uncircumcised men and eat with them?”
Word got around pretty quickly that the Gentiles had also accepted the word of God. There was a group, and you'll find them in almost every church, who criticized Peter asking him "why did you go to uncircumcised men (they did not seem to care that the men where now believers) and eat with them? According to them it was God's law that they not eat with uncircumcised men. It did not matter that Cornelius being described by all the Jews of the land as a God Fearer, and Righteous, and of good report. It did not matter that Cornelius ate kosher (else all the Jews of the land would not have reported him as a God fearer). All they cared about was that Peter and his six brethren ate "with" Cornelius in his home. It was forbidden by the Rabbis.

Of course scripture does not say it was Rabbinical but not eating with Gentiles who were now believers was not in God's law. In fact, in the OT God specifically told the Hebrew children that any non Hebrews who had left Egypt with them and wanted to be part of them in serving the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were to be allowed to do so. I would think that Peter was aware of that but again it was something that Peter had done all his life. Gentiles just out of their Gentileness were considered "dirty", "tainted", "common" because they were not Jews.

So Peter begins to tell them the story.
I'll let you read it. I don't need to expound on it. I think it is pretty clear what Peter's vision was about. Especially since Peter outright says "God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean". In what way did God show him? Through a vision using animals that were considered by the observant Jew, unclean and common.
Acts 11:4 Then Peter began to explain it to them, step by step, saying, 5 “I was in the city of Joppa praying, and in a trance I saw a vision. There was something like a large sheet coming down from heaven, being lowered by its four corners; and it came close to me.

6 As I looked at it closely I saw four-footed animals, beasts of prey, reptiles, and birds of the air. 7 I also heard a voice saying to me, ‘Get up, Peter; kill and eat.’ 8 But I replied, ‘By no means, Lord; for nothing profane or unclean has ever entered my mouth.’ 9 But a second time the voice answered from heaven, ‘What God has made clean, you must not call profane.’ 10 This happened three times; then everything was pulled up again to heaven.

11 At that very moment three men, sent to me from Caesarea, arrived at the house where we were. 12 The Spirit told me to go with them and not to make a distinction between them and us.[c] These six brothers also accompanied me, and we entered the man’s house. 13 He told us how he had seen the angel standing in his house and saying, ‘Send to Joppa and bring Simon, who is called Peter; 14 he will give you a message by which you and your entire household will be saved.’ 15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them just as it had upon us at the beginning. 16 And I remembered the word of the Lord, how he had said, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ 17 If then God gave them the same gift that he gave us when we believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could hinder God?” 18 When they heard this, they were silenced. And they praised God, saying, “Then God has given even to the Gentiles the repentance that leads to life.”

 
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I've made a few tweaks here and there just to hopefully make things more clear :) I don't consider myself a great teacher, but the Lord does give me insight into the scripture.

There may be scripture somewhere that says God abolished all the instructions He gave for what we eat, but it isn't this one. :) God used what was easiest for Peter to understand. Peter understood the food laws. He understood there was what God had deemed as unclean and he also understood about the animals that God had declared as good for food but by the Rabbis ruling had become tainted by their contact with the unclean. The Gentiles were considered unclean even after they had come to know God. Even though Cornelius was considered by the Jews as a God-fearer and after they had heard that "salvation had come to the Gentile too", they still considered him tainted and dirty. Uncommon and profaned. The Jewish believers wanted to know why Peter had gone to a Gentiles house and why he ate "with" Gentiles.

There is no mention of what kind of food was eaten. However, Cornelius, being a God-fearer (a technical term describing a Gentile that keeps most of the Torah, but stops short of ritual circumcision) and of high standing among all the Jews was eating per God's instructions and also would not have been so rude and unhospitible as to serve unclean food to guests he knew could not eat it.

I hope the readers were encouraged and blessed. :wave:
 
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Mark 7:19 portion (thereby cleansing ALL meats) is Marks interpretation of what Jesus said, not what Jesus actually said. In Matt 15:16-20 the part of "thereby cleansing all meats" is not in Matthews rendition of Jesus words.

19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?

The Interlenear: o&ti {CONJ} oujk {PRT} eijsporeuvetai {V-PNI-3S} aujtou' {P-GSM} eij? {PREP} th;n {T-ASF} kardivan {N-ASF} ajll# {CONJ} eij? {PREP} th;n {T-ASF} koilivan, {N-ASF} kai; {CONJ} eij? {PREP} to;n {T-ASM} ajfedrw'na {N-ASM} ejkporeuvetai; {V-PNI-3S} kaqarivzwn {V-PAP-NSM} pavnta {A-APN} ta; {T-APN} brwvmata. {N-APN}


“The syntax clearly marks out καθαρίζων πάντα τὰ βρώματα as a parenthetical editorial comment

The Torah prohibits Jews from eating certain animals (Lev. 11; Deut. 14). We can assume that Jesus would not have violated these commandments. (Otherwise, he would have been condemned by the words of Torah, and would have been a sinner.) Nor would he have taught others to violate the commandments since he himself taught, “Anyone who breaks them [the commandments of Torah] or teaches others to break them will be called ‘light’ [קַל, kal, that is, of no esteem]” (Matt 5:19). In other words, such a disciple could not become or remain part of the “Kingdom of Heaven,” a term that Jesus sometimes used to refer to his band of full-time disciples.[2]
 
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Dreams and visions come about in many ways to show someone something.

In some cases what is seen in the vision is exactly as it would be in real life. In others it's in symbols.



  • Jacob had a dream of a ladder ascending into heaven and angels walking up and down it. That did not mean that he was going to climb the ladder to heaven like he was Jack in Jack and the beanstalk.
  • Joseph interpreted dreams that were in symbols...the stalks of grain from his brothers bowing down to his stalk of grain. Then another where the sun, moon, and star were bowing down to him.
  • Pharoahs cupbearer and baker. The cupbearer had a dream of a vine with 3 branches. It budded, blossomed and the clusters became grapes. The chief baker had a dream where there were 3 cake baskets on his head. (Read story here)
  • Pharoah
  • The Midianite and Amalekite armies
  • Solomon
  • Daniel
  • Zacharias
  • John
..............just to name a few :)
 
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Lets take a look at the parable of Jesus as referred to in two posts up. We will look at Matthew and Marks rendition.

Note: I am not telling people what they can and cannot eat. I'm merely wanting to show the scriptures for what they actually say vs what we've been taught in our churches that they say. What one concludes after reading and understanding is between them and God.

Matthew 15 Common English Bible (CEB)

15 Then Pharisees and legal experts came to Jesus from Jerusalem and said, 2 “Why are your disciples breaking the elders’ rules handed down to us? They don’t ritually purify their hands by washing before they eat.”

3 Jesus replied, “Why do you break the command of God by keeping the rules handed down to you? 4 For God said, Honor your father and your mother,[a] and The person who speaks against father or mother will certainly be put to death. 5 But you say, ‘If you tell your father or mother, “Everything I’m expected to contribute to you I’m giving to God as a gift,” then you don’t have to honor your father.’ 6 So you do away with God’s Law for the sake of the rules that have been handed down to you. 7 Hypocrites! Isaiah really knew what he was talking about when he prophesied about you, 8 This people honors me with their lips, but their hearts are far away from me. 9 Their worship of me is empty since they teach instructions that are human rules.”[c]

10 Jesus called the crowd near and said to them, “Listen and understand. 11 It’s not what goes into the mouth that contaminates a person in God’s sight. It’s what comes out of the mouth that contaminates the person.”

12 Then the disciples came and said to him, “Do you know that the Pharisees were offended by what you just said?”

13 Jesus replied, “Every plant that my heavenly Father didn’t plant will be pulled up. 14 Leave the Pharisees alone. They are blind people who are guides to blind people. But if a blind person leads another blind person, they will both fall into a ditch.”

15 Then Peter spoke up, “Explain this riddle to us.”

16 Jesus said, “Don’t you understand yet? 17 Don’t you know that everything that goes into the mouth enters the stomach and goes out into the sewer? 18 But what goes out of the mouth comes from the heart. And that’s what contaminates a person in God’s sight. 19 Out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adultery, sexual sins, thefts, false testimonies, and insults. 20 These contaminate a person in God’s sight. But eating without washing hands doesn’t contaminate in God’s sight.”

Mark 7

7 The Pharisees and some legal experts from Jerusalem gathered around Jesus. 2 They saw some of his disciples eating food with unclean hands. (They were eating without first ritually purifying their hands through washing. 3 The Pharisees and all the Jews don’t eat without first washing their hands carefully. This is a way of observing the rules handed down by the elders. 4 Upon returning from the marketplace, they don’t eat without first immersing themselves. They observe many other rules that have been handed down, such as the washing of cups, jugs, pans, and sleeping mats.) 5 So the Pharisees and legal experts asked Jesus, “Why are your disciples not living according to the rules handed down by the elders but instead eat food with ritually unclean hands?”

6 He replied, “Isaiah really knew what he was talking about when he prophesied about you hypocrites. He wrote,

This people honors me with their lips,
but their hearts are far away from me.
7 Their worship of me is empty
since they teach instructions that are human words.[a]

8 You ignore God’s commandment while holding on to rules created by humans and handed down to you.” 9 Jesus continued, “Clearly, you are experts at rejecting God’s commandment in order to establish these rules. 10 Moses said, Honor your father and your mother, and The person who speaks against father or mother will certainly be put to death.[c] 11 But you say, ‘If you tell your father or mother, “Everything I’m expected to contribute to you is corban (that is, a gift I’m giving to God),” 12 then you are no longer required to care for your father or mother.’ 13 In this way you do away with God’s word in favor of the rules handed down to you, which you pass on to others. And you do a lot of other things just like that.”

14 Then Jesus called the crowd again and said, “Listen to me, all of you, and understand. 15 Nothing outside of a person can enter and contaminate a person in God’s sight; rather, the things that come out of a person contaminate the person.”[d]

17 After leaving the crowd, he entered a house where his disciples asked him about that riddle. 18 He said to them, “Don’t you understand either? Don’t you know that nothing from the outside that enters a person has the power to contaminate? 19 That’s because it doesn’t enter into the heart but into the stomach, and it goes out into the sewer.” By saying this, Jesus declared that no food could contaminate a person in God’s sight. 20 “It’s what comes out of a person that contaminates someone in God’s sight,” he said. 21 “It’s from the inside, from the human heart, that evil thoughts come: sexual sins, thefts, murders, 22 adultery, greed, evil actions, deceit, unrestrained immorality, envy, insults, arrogance, and foolishness. 23 All these evil things come from the inside and contaminate a person in God’s sight.”


First off, what has brought about the conversation? The elders have approached Jesus and asked him "why don't your disciples obey the rules handed down to us by the elders by washing their hands before they eat?" (Matt 15:2 and Mark 7:2) Notice Marks is a little more commentary...he explains the ritual and the reason.

Jesus replies basically with "Moses said, but you say and that means that you no longer have to obey God...and you do a lot of God's other laws that way.

Then Jesus calls the crowd around him and says, "listen, nothing outside of a person can enter and contaminate a person in God's sight; rather, the things that come out of a person contaminate the person. IOW it's not what you do or don't do on the outside that makes you unclean before God, it's what comes out of the heart that is contaminating. It was not about food...even Mark seems to have misunderstood. Matthew did not make that same commentary. He just wrote what Jesus said.

It's true, our hearts are not contaminated in God's sight by what we eat. It's from the inside, from the human heart, that unrestrained immorality, envy, insults, arrogance, and foolishness come. All these evil things come from the inside and contaminate a person in God's sight. The bottom line of the parable was not about food but about ones heart condition.

 
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1 Cor 10: 23 Everything is permitted, but everything isn’t beneficial. Everything is permitted, but everything doesn’t build others up. 24 No one should look out for their own advantage, but they should look out for each other. 25 Eat everything that is sold in the marketplace, without asking questions about it because of your conscience. 26 The earth and all that is in it belong to the Lord.[b] 27 If an unbeliever invites you to eat with them and you want to go, eat whatever is served, without asking questions because of your conscience. 28 But if someone says to you, “This meat was sacrificed in a temple,” then don’t eat it for the sake of the one who told you and for the sake of conscience. 29 Now when I say “conscience” I don’t mean yours but the other person’s. Why should my freedom be judged by someone else’s conscience? 30 If I participate with gratitude, why should I be blamed for food I thank God for? 31 So, whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, you should do it all for God’s glory. 32 Don’t offend either Jews or Greeks, or God’s church. 33 This is the same thing that I do. I please everyone in everything I do. I don’t look out for my own advantage, but I look out for many people so that they can be saved.

This portion of scripture is about our choosing to benefit others over ourselves. When you go to the home of an unbeliever for dinner it says, "for your own conscience, don't ask what's in the dish" It's not saying just go willy nilly and purposely eat things that you know are not according to God's instructions. To do so would be on the same line as the pharisee's whom Jesus referred to as obeying what man says vs what God says. If you go to someones house and someone tells you that the meat being served was offered to idols then in behalf of the person who told you "don't eat it" because it will tear down their faith. The writer notes that he does not look out for his own advantage, but he looks out for others so that they may be saved.



Bottom line for me....I normally don't eat pork, etc. foods, but when I go to someones home I eat whatever they serve without asking questions (unless I'm allergic). But if another guest tells me there is pork in it, then on the behalf of the faith of the person who told me that, I should choose to not eat it so that they will not be offended.
 
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I like it that others are sending me scripture that supposedly show that we are free to eat whatever we want. :) It's giving me the material to address and show how we've been taught incorrectly. Anyway,
1 Corinthians 8 Common English Bible (CEB)

Meat sacrificed to false gods

8 Now concerning meat that has been sacrificed to a false god: We know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge makes people arrogant, but love builds people up. 2 If anyone thinks they know something, they don’t yet know as much as they should know. 3 But if someone loves God, then they are known by God.
4 So concerning the actual food involved in these sacrifices to false gods, we know that a false god isn’t anything in this world, and that there is no God except for the one God. 5 Granted, there are so-called “gods,” in heaven and on the earth, as there are many gods and many lords. 6 However, for us believers,
There is one God the Father.
All things come from him, and we belong to him.
And there is one Lord Jesus Christ.
All things exist through him, and we live through him.


7 But not everybody knows this. Some are eating this food as though it really is food sacrificed to a real idol, because they were used to idol worship until now. Their conscience is weak because it has been damaged. 8 Food won’t bring us close to God. We’re not missing out if we don’t eat, and we don’t have any advantage if we do eat. 9 But watch out or else this freedom of yours might be a problem for those who are weak. 10 Suppose someone sees you (the person who has knowledge) eating in an idol’s temple. Won’t the person with a weak conscience be encouraged to eat the meat sacrificed to false gods? 11 The weak brother or sister for whom Christ died is destroyed by your knowledge. 12 You sin against Christ if you sin against your brothers and sisters and hurt their weak consciences this way. 13 This is why, if food causes the downfall of my brother or sister, I won’t eat meat ever again, or else I may cause my brother or sister to fall.


Notice Verse 8: Food won't bring us close to God. We're not missing out if we do eat or if we don't.



Verse 9: But watch out, your freedom to do as you please may be a problem for others.



Verse 10 - 12: SUPPOSE someone sees you, the one who has knowledge (there's an intimation that it's not a good activity), eating in an idols temple. "Won't the person with a weak conscience be encouraged to eat the meat to false gods? The weak brother or sister for whom Christ died is destroyed by your knowledge. YOU sin against Christ if you sin against your brothers and sisters and hurt their weak consciences.


Verse 13: "This is why I won't eat meat ever again, or else I cause my brother or sister to fall".



Note: The writer is not talking about just any mean but meat offered to idols. He has no problem with eating it. However, if it causes a weaker brother or sister to fall then he chooses to not eat it.



One is free to eat whatever they choose. But we need to do so with the knowledge of what God actually says. It's one thing to not be able to eat everything as God instructs. (I'm not able to buy at a kosher market, etc..) It's another to have it all available but refuse in order to display one's freedom to do all things.



I'd like to add a thought as well to the previous posting...CF still won't let me edit. :o



1 Cor 10:27 If an UNBELIEVER invites you to eat with them and you want to eat whatever is served without asking questions.



The key word is UNBELIEVER. If they were a believer, they would know what to serve. If we go to an unbelievers hows to eat, we are to eat without asking questions. Bottom line it's about not being offensive to your own conscience or the conscience of others. Not going on a free-for-all just because you can.



 
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