Peter wasn't a christian

[rightlydividingtheword]

Jesus for that matter didn't preach christianity either.

 

[TheScottsMen]

Jesus for that matter didn't preach christianity either.

The great "twelve-in, twelve-out" debate.

The remark about Peter could be debated. Clearly Peter preached the gospel of the kingdom through the four gospels and the book of Acts when the program was being put on hold; but to say that he never became part of the Body of Christ in this dispensation of grace is debated between many in the Grace Movement. Could it be that when Paul's apostleship and commission came full-swing in Acts 28:28 that the 12 apostles were absorbed into the Body of Christ?

Needless, I'm in agreement with you. If Peter became part of the church of this dispensation, than only 11 apostles will serve on 12 thrones with Christ

 

[RodJones]

You are right my friend, Peter was NOT a Christan!. Taking a look at Acts 1:6, after the Lord abode with his apostles 40 days Peter had only one concern "Lord wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to ISRAEL", all through chapter 2 and 3 Peter speaks to the "men of Israel". Now in Acts 11:26 we see plainly that Peter could NOT be a christan "And the disciples were called Christans FIRST in Antioch", so we see the first time disciples were called Christans, was when Paul established these saints. Now notice in Acts 11:22 there was also a "chruch which was in Jerusalem", but these disciples were NOT christans nor did they become members of the body of Christ, God never change his plan with Israel, in his plan with the members of the body of Christ, God has a heavenly purpose for the body of Christ. God's plan and purpose for Israel will be fulfilled, but only after our fullness "be come in" Rom.11:25

 

[eph3Nine]

How can Peter sit on one of the twelve thrones and rule on earth, if he is a part of the Body of Christ with a calling and promise to rule in the heavenlies?

I never even blinked at the twelve in twelve out debate. as it is very clear that the two are to remain separate. Ya cant float around in both programs at will. Whatever program you were saved under is where you will end up.

 

[nwmsugrad]

How can Peter sit on one of the twelve thrones and rule on earth, if he is a part of the Body of Christ with a calling and promise to rule in the heavenlies?

I never even blinked at the twelve in twelve out debate. as it is very clear that the two are to remain separate. Ya cant float around in both programs at will. Whatever program you were saved under is where you will end up.

Are you saying that as Church age believers we will spend enternity in the heavenlies? You seem to be reading a lot into Phillipians 3:20.

Question: Where did the 11 apostles go when they died, heaven or somewhere else?

Where will Christ be during His 1000 year reign on the throne of David, in heaven or on earth?

If Christ will be on earth wont we as church age believers be there also? God's promise to Israel will not be fullfilled to the church. It is a promise to Israel, the church is a seperate entity.

Romans 11:12 (NASB95)
12 Now if their transgression is riches for the world and their failure is riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their fulfillment be!

1 Thessalonians 4:17 (NASB95)
17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.

1 Thessalonians 5:9-10 (NASB95)
9 For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,
10 who died for us, so that whether we are awake or asleep, we will live together with Him.

How can we live with Him if we are not actually with Him?

Matthew 8:11 (NASB95)
11 “I say to you that many will come from east and west, and recline at the table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven;

Who are those who come from east and west? What is the table of Abraham they will recline at?

 

[eph3Nine]

Im saying that under Pauls MYSTERY Gospel and according to the WHOLE PICTURE That the Bible rightly divided presents....that we who are His Body, saved by Pauls gospel of 1 Cor. 15: 1-4 will INDEED rule in the heavenlies.

God has TWO realms over which He is creator. ONE is heaven and one is EARTH.

The entire Bible is a story of Gods plan to RE establish His reign and rule in BOTH realms.

Israel is his plan for the earth.

We the body of Christ is his plan for the heavens.

 

[nwmsugrad]

Where do you think Church age believers will be spatically located during the 1000 reign of Christ?

 

[RodJones]

Where do you think Church age believers will be spatically located during the 1000 reign of Christ?

nwmsugrad, the chruch age believers that either died in Christ, or that were raptured from the earth, will still be in the heavenlies until the Lord "hath put all enemies under his feet" 1Cor.15:25-28, then the fulfillment of God's plan for the "dispensation of the fullness of times" will get underway. At that time God will "gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him Eph1:10. Also the 12 apostles hope was not in heaven, but a earthly one, when they died they went to the paradise section in hell, a place where all the redeemed Saints went to that died under that covenant, we know that John3:13 the Lord said at that time "no man hath ascended up to heaven" and then after the Lord's resurrection, Peter could say that "For David is not ascended into the heavens" Acts2:34

 

[twoedge]

Jesus for that matter didn't preach christianity either.

Again, congratulations!!

You have just moved from stupidity to heresy.

Of course! Peter spent three and ahalf years with Christ, he was a disciple of Christ, a follower of Christ, but not a christian. And after the ascension he said... you can read it yourself Acts 2:31-39.

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[Iosias]

Jesus for that matter didn't preach christianity either.

Excuse me?!!

 

[TubaFour]

Im saying that under Pauls MYSTERY Gospel and according to the WHOLE PICTURE That the Bible rightly divided presents....that we who are His Body, saved by Pauls gospel of 1 Cor. 15: 1-4 will INDEED rule in the heavenlies.

God has TWO realms over which He is creator. ONE is heaven and one is EARTH.

The entire Bible is a story of Gods plan to RE establish His reign and rule in BOTH realms.

Israel is his plan for the earth.

We the body of Christ is his plan for the heavens.

Wait, in dispensationalism, Jews are in the earthly realm. Peter is the apostle to the Jews. Right so far? Why would Peter write this to his "Jewish" audience (I, for one, don't believe his audience is Jewish, and I'll show you why...):


3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you

But, to show you that Peter is speaking to gentiles or perhaps Jewish and gentile believers, he says:

13 Therefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and rest your hope fully upon the grace that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; 14 as obedient children, not conforming yourselves to the former lusts, as in your ignorance;

Who is he calling ignorant? Not Jews. Jews were not ignorant of God's commandmants, they had the law. Here's more:

9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10 who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.

Again, could he be talking to jews when he refers to them as having once not been a people? I don't think so. Jews were always the people of God.

17 For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?


Us, the house of God?

14 Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; 15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

Wait, wait, wait. Paul wrote to Jews? Where? In all his epistles? What? I thought Paul wrote to Gentiles...

Blessings,

aL

 

[eph3Nine]

Excuse me?!!

Romans 15:8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Does this sound like Jesus, while on earth, came to preach Christianity, which scripture tells us was a MYSTERY until revealed to Paul by the RISEN LORD?

See, this is why Paul says NOT TO BE IGNORANT OF THE MYSTERY truths. Jesus while on earth, did NOT preach anything but the law and the KINGDOM GOSPEL, which was to the nation ISRAEL alone.

Satan has done a bang up job of confusing the programs and even deceiving the ELECT.

 

[TubaFour]

Romans 15:8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Does this sound like Jesus, while on earth, came to preach Christianity, which scripture tells us was a MYSTERY until revealed to Paul by the RISEN LORD?

See, this is why Paul says NOT TO BE IGNORANT OF THE MYSTERY truths. Jesus while on earth, did NOT preach anything but the law and the KINGDOM GOSPEL, which was to the nation ISRAEL alone.

Satan has done a bang up job of confusing the programs and even deceiving the ELECT.

Jesus didn't preach the gospel?

John 3:
1 There was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2 This man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him.”
3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”
5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
9 Nicodemus answered and said to Him, “How can these things be?”
10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.[a] 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”

aL

 

[Jerrysch]

Jesus for that matter didn't preach christianity either.

How do you define "Christian"?

 

[Jerrysch]

Jesus for that matter didn't preach christianity either.

How would you define "Christianity"?

 

[Jerrysch]

Jesus for that matter didn't preach christianity either.

Are you refering to the Jesus which the Gospels speak of or some symbolic "Jesus"?

Had to ask!

 

[Iosias]

Romans 15:8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Does this sound like Jesus, while on earth, came to preach Christianity, which scripture tells us was a MYSTERY until revealed to Paul by the RISEN LORD?

See, this is why Paul says NOT TO BE IGNORANT OF THE MYSTERY truths. Jesus while on earth, did NOT preach anything but the law and the KINGDOM GOSPEL, which was to the nation ISRAEL alone.

Satan has done a bang up job of confusing the programs and even deceiving the ELECT.

So Christianity has nothing to do with Christ's preaching...ha ha ha...and you call me confused!

 

[eph3Nine]

Christ had a twofold ministry. When He was on earth, He tells us to whom He is addressing...."I came unto the Lost sheep of the House of Israel".

The RISEN Christ has the words for we who are His body. It always amazes me that folks dont KNOW where to go for the information God gave specifically to THEM.

You arent confused....you are ignorant. This doesnt imply stupid, but UNTAUGHT and uninformed. Satan has done a wonderful job of deceiving even the elect.

 

[kenneth558]

Peter wasn't a christian???? You're joking, right? Or haven't you read 1 Peter 4:12-19?

12Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:

13But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

14If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.

15But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters.

16Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

17For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

18And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

19Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

It is obvious that Peter only views people as either being Christians or ungodly sinners.

 

[eph3Nine]

Peter wasn't a christian???? You're joking, right? Or haven't you read 1 Peter 4:12-19?



It is obvious that Peter only views people as either being Christians or ungodly sinners.

Peter isnt OUR apostle. He was a minister to the circumcision. Scripture tells us so.

Peter didnt preach Christianity. He preached the Kingdom Gospel which had to do with believing in a prophesied MESSIAH and KING, NOT in a Body of Christ, which was actually PART of the mystery information revealed to Paul for a new dispensation.

Peters gospel was totally Jewish. If they were followers of Christ, it was the Christ that spoke ON EARTH< to His earthly people, the nation Israel. They were first called Christians at Antioch, werent they?

I dont see Paul referring to we, who are the church which is His Body as Christians, but as believers, or members of His Body.