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Let's start with the Spanish Inquisition. Please explain that away as anything but abusive and horrific.
Shall we move on to the fact that Pope Clement VIII was murderous and brutal - burning at the stake (among others) Giordano Bruno, and was openly anti-semitic. I really love his following writing:
Pope Pious IX was also openly anti-semitic. In fact, he called the Jews "dogs of which there are too many present in Rome, howling and disturbing us everywhere". In truth, it can be well argued that the Roman Catholic Church's anti-semitism played a role in the rise of the Nazi Holocaust.
I'll let you chew on those ones, and try to explain them away as "no problem". Or... you could just admit that the Papacy has a history of abuses and horrors.
It could be argued that Catholic priests at various times throughout history are really not much different than the priests and Pharisees of Jesus' time who sought to put him to death. But of course much like the Pharisees, lacking humility, the Catholic elite are not open to criticism. Consider for example how Jesus speaks of them in Matthew 23 which among other things says, "And do not call anyone on earth father, for you have one Father, and he is in heaven." Jesus spoke against the usage of elitist titles. Yet Catholic priests not only take on the title father, but even capitalize it to "Father so-and-so". So also they dress in religious garbs so as to once again distinguish themselves from ordinary Catholics.Well Juerasalem was to be destroyed according to Revelations. The early fathers built the church in Rome. And notice how Elikiam no matter how sinful, still possesed such powers.
And pope is papa which is father. Elikiam and his successors are called FATHER (Pope in Latin).
The Church of Rome uses tradition and the teaching of the Church to propagate and defend doctrines and practices which have absolutely no Scriptural authority whatsoever. For example, her dogmas of the Mass, Papal Infallibility and Mariolatry.
I understand that to you - who has been told this all your life - it is very clear.
Oy vey!
I can see God shaking His head right now.
Lord help us.
Paul would not recognized the Church today if he were alive today (ie indulgences, mariolotry,...).
Jesus also said dont call anyone teacher....what's that guy called that taught you math in 10th grade?
This quote from Matthew is obviously talking about the religious elite. Everyone on earth has a father (with a small f).
How about chewing on this.
Contrary to the fabrications of Contra-Catholic Revisionist History there are ,
the following testimonies emphasizing the truth of what really happened
in that period when Pope Pius XII was confronting the Holocaust.
"No Christmas sermon reaches a larger congregation than the message Pope Pius XII addresses to a war-torn world at this season. This Christmas more than ever
he is a lonely voice crying out of the silence of a continent."
The New York Times, December 25, 1942
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"I should like you to take this occasion to express to His Holiness my deeply-felt appreciation of the frequent action which the Holy See has taken on its own
initiative in its generous and merciful efforts to render assistance
to the victims of racial and religious persecutions."
Franklin D. Roosevelt to Myron C. Taylor, August 3, 1944
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". . . I told him [the Pope] that my first duty was to thank him , and through him, the Catholic Church, on behalf of the Jewish public, for all they had done in the
various countries to rescue Jews, to save children, and Jews in general."
Moshe Sharett, Later First Israeli Foreign Minister (April 1945)
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"In all these painful matters, I referred to the Holy See and afterwards I simply
carried out the Pope's orders: first and foremost to save human lives."
Angelo Cardinal Roncalli, Patriarch of Venice, Later Pope John XXIII (1957)
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"When fearful martyrdom came to our people, the voice of the
pope was raised for its victims."
Golda Meir, Israeli Foreign (October 1958)
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"He was a great and good man, and I loved him."
Field Marshal Bernard Law Montgomery,London Sunday Times (October 12, 1958)
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"It seems evident to me that the principles, reaffirmed by Pope Pacelli in his first encyclical [Summi Pontificatus], and repeated forcefully at every circumstance, above all in the Christmas messages of the war years,
constitute the most concrete condemnation of the Hitlerian type of absolutism."
Eugene Cardinal Tisserant, New York Times (February 26, 1964)
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"Pope Pius XII did not remain silent."
Jeno Levai (1966)
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". . . the Catholic Church, under the pontificate of Pope Pius XII was instrumental
in saving at least 700,000, but probably as many as 860,000,
Jews from certain death at Nazi hands."
Pinchas E. Lapide, Three Popes and the Jews (1967)
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"Pope Pius XII, the one pontiff with whom I was acquainted, was an interesting man who, after 1945, came in for what almost surely is an unfair amount of criticism
because he didn't stop the conflict Hitler started and because he didn't
do more to save Europe's Jews from Nazi extermination."
C. L. Sulzberger, Go Gentle Into the Night (1976)
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"What we can say already, in light of what we have learned, is that
the Nazis considered Pius XII and his collaborators as their greatest enemies,
and that, reciprocally, the Pope and his entourage saw the Nazis as criminals
working for the destruction of the Church and civilization."
Jean Chelini, Le Figaro (October 8, 1983)
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"The gratitude [to Pope Pius XII] of the world Jewish leaders, for deeds to which their own archives are witness, was transformed after 1963 into totally negative commentary. The well-intentioned, informed world Jewish community was downgraded to 'disgraceful testimonials of a few Jews' (New York Times, September 27, 1989), Letters)."
Rev. Robert A. Graham, S. J. (October 1989)
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". . . that there was no direction given by the Pope in helping the Jews recalls the argument of David Irving, the English author, who in 1977 tried to absolve Adolf Hitler of any responsibility for the Final Solution simply because historians could not find a document proving his responsibility for persecuting the Jews. The failure of historians to find any explicit instructions does not necessarily consititute proof that Hitler was not behind the persecution of the Jews or that Pius XII did not encourage the help given by the Catholic clergy and laity to the Jews, since, as any historian knows, directives can be given orally as well as in writing [actually, as early as 23 December 1940, Pius did send a secret instruction, Opere et caritate, to his bishops to help victims like the Jews]."
Rev. Vincent A. Lapomarda, S. J. (July 31, 1992)
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"Anyone who does not limit himself to cheap polemics knows very well what
Pius XII thought of the Nazi regime and how much he did to help countless people
persecuted by the regime."
Pope John Paul II (1995)
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"He was a great pope."
Pope John Paul II (March 21, 1998)
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"In his 1942 Christmas message, which The New York Times among others
extolled, the pope became the first figure of international stature
to condemn what was turning into the Holocaust."
Kenneth Woodward, Newsweek (March 30, 1998)
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"Before any more fingers are pointed at Pius XII --- who did more to save the Jews than anyone else --- let him first take a hard historical look at what his ideological kinfolk did at the time of the Holocaust. The New Republic, like The New York Timesand The Washington Post, are the ones who need to apologize for their shameful silence in the face of genocide and stop with the scapegoating of Pius XII."
William A. Donohue, President, Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights
Catalyst, 27, No. 4 (May 2000), 10
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". . . Pius XII was, genuinely and profoundly, a righteous gentile."
Rabbi David G. Dalin, The Weekly Standard, February 26, 2001
(also see his "History as Bigotry," in the February 10, 2003 issue).
Pius XII? "This is the only human being who has always contradicted me "
and who has never obeyed me."
Adolf Hitler --- from Hans Jansen's The Silent Pope? (2000)
Israel Zoller (Zolli), Rome's Chief Rabbi during World War II, not only converted to
Roman Catholicism he took the same baptismal name, Eugenio, as Pius XII
in appreciation of what the Pope had done for the Jews.
In the seven plots to overthrow Adolf Hitler, Pius XII was involved
in at least two of them.
More than 4,000 Catholic priests were killed by the Nazis, incuding 868 Poles at Dachau,
780 from various nations at Mauthausen, and 123 shot in France (one estimate holds
that at least 4,000 were killed at Buchenwald alone).
But all their works they do to be seen by men.1 Timothy 5
1Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren;
1 Corinthians 4:14-16
14I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you.
15For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
16Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me
The Church of Rome uses tradition and the teaching of the Church to propagate and defend doctrines and practices which have absolutely no Scriptural authority whatsoever. For example, her dogmas of the Mass, Papal Infallibility and Mariolatry.
It could be argued that Catholic priests at various times throughout history are really not much different than the priests and Pharisees of Jesus' time who sought to put him to death. But of course much like the Pharisees, lacking humility, the Catholic elite are not open to criticism. Consider for example how Jesus speaks of them in Matthew 23 which among other things says, "And do not call anyone on earth father, for you have one Father, and he is in heaven." Jesus spoke against the usage of elitist titles. Yet Catholic priests not only take on the title father, but even capitalize it to "Father so-and-so". So also they dress in religious garbs so as to once again distinguish themselves from ordinary Catholics.
I understand that to you - who has been told this all your life - it is very clear.quote]
Actually, as recent poll in GT revealed that over half of the Catholics posting here are former Protestants (and even a few ordained Protestant ministers). Perhaps people should check those false assumptions that theywere taught all your life before making statements like that.
And one of my very dear friends is a Lutheran pastor who grew up Catholic, graduated from Notre Dame, and converted to Lutheranism later in life.
So what is that proof of?
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