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Only the Satan loves lies........Give me Truth or give me DeathI assume you love the truth. Am I wrong?
I love Truth and I love discussing the Truth with people who are civil and reasonable.
Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against against us. I forgive you. I am called to it. I ask forgiveness from our Father whom I offend each and every day. So I must forgive you too. And I do. Really - I do.
However...that doesn't mean I am at all convinced you even understand the nature of your offense, nor have you even apologized for it (although I am grateful you changed it). This does not bode well for the possibility of having a fruitful discussion. It tells me that you are likely at a place that is so anti-thetical to Catholicism that real dialog will be difficult at best.
God's Peace to you,
NewMan
In case nobody noticed it - I have a zero tolerance policy toward words like "Romish, Romanist, Popish, Papist" etc...if you ever want to get me out of any given conversation - just throw those words around. And then you can have fun all by yourselves. And if you are surprised that a Catholic would be HIGHLY offended by those words, then you really need to get out of your own little world and understand that there really are words that hurt others. People of color don't like the "n" word, and gay people don't like being called the "f-got" word, and so on. Come on people - I am not being unreasonably hyper-sensitive here...it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that there are CHARITIBLE ways of communicating without using terms that offend others.
Even Protestant was, in many cases, an early term of derision for those excommunicated from The Catholic Church.
Why, as one who is not registered in a parish of your ____________, I CAN find it offensive that you call me a non-catholic (which means non-Christian)
3. I know of least one Orthodox poster, quite active here, who refers to your _________________ as "Rome." And he insists that no Catholic has ever in his life been the least bit offended by that.
Well, Rome is the same word as two of the things you say YOU are offended by.
And how can you defend all the things you said are true about the Papacy and be offended by legit English varients of that word?
It takes a LOT of work, clarity and patience!!!! A LOT. And sometimes it takes laying aside hyper-sensitivities.
You know, most of the world knows your _____________ as "The Roman Catholic Church." And, friend and respected brother, there's no offense meant or implied. So none should be taken.
Let's see if we can get back to the topic, when is the Papacy (NO OFFENSE MEANT BY THAT!) of your _____________________.
Greetings. As much as I am afraid to post almost anything on GT without getting reported, you should take a gander at the Roman Catholicism board at the CARM forum.
GT is like a tame kitten compared to some of the rabid anti-catholicism stuff I see on there and one reason I quit posting on there. It is practically no holds barred..........
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Thank u D'Ann. I removed my post as I thought it may have been wrong to post a link to another forum.I completely agree. I've lurked on CARM... praying for CARM... CF is more Christlike and better than CARM, because it is Ecumenical and CF does strive to sincerely be more like Christ... and isn't that what we all should be doing?
Why use slur words to hurt one another? If a word offends a person... like the word Romish...etc... why use it? And then argue with the person who is offended and telling them... oh, you shouldn't be offended... blah blah blah... the bottom line is that those slur words are offensive and out of respect for each other I would hope that we all would avoid using words or slur words that truly do offend others...
I know that I'm NewMan99's wife and that probably kinda disqualifies me, but no matter who my husband may be, I do find those words offensive and I pray that we all will find a way to respect each other enough to at least not use offensive slurs against or towards each other.
God's peace,
Debbie
Thank u D'Ann. I removed my post as I thought it may have been wrong to post a link to another forum.
Not sure why that forum is like that and I have no intention of posting on there again.
I actually joined it when I was given a short "vacation" from CF awhile back and I might have brought back a little of what was on there back to CF......Forgive me
Well, at the time, I felt another forum couldn't be any worst than CF, especially the GT board and I swore I wasn't going to come back to CF. But I have some very close friends here and they talked me into coming back.I am more than a little familiar with CARM and its founder, Matt Slick. I have always believed that CF, despite its flaws and challenges, is miles better. It is my hope CF stays true to its stated ecumenical vision. I suspect that CARM will remain in the muck.
I am getting to the point of giving up the message boards all-together. I keep coming back here and hoping. However, I know there are still problems that I am aware of some members including moderators to leave.
Well Debbie, I didn't know that you are NewMan99's wife. That is total news to me.I completely agree. I've lurked on CARM... praying for CARM... CF is more Christlike and better than CARM, because it is Ecumenical and CF does strive to sincerely be more like Christ... and isn't that what we all should be doing?
Why use slur words to hurt one another? If a word offends a person... like the word Romish...etc... why use it? And then argue with the person who is offended and telling them... oh, you shouldn't be offended... blah blah blah... the bottom line is that those slur words are offensive and out of respect for each other I would hope that we all would avoid using words or slur words that truly do offend others...
I know that I'm NewMan99's wife and that probably kinda disqualifies me, but no matter who my husband may be, I do find those words offensive and I pray that we all will find a way to respect each other enough to at least not use offensive slurs against or towards each other.
God's peace,
Debbie
Wow, cool. That's a relief to hear once in a blue moon.quote=D'Ann; I completely agree. I've lurked on CARM... praying for CARM... CF is more Christlike and better than CARM, because it is Ecumenical and CF does strive to sincerely be more like Christ... and isn't that what we all should be doing?
Occaisionaly, something like "brood of vipers" is appropriate, but i agree that it should be the exception, not the rule.Why use slur words to hurt one another?
Because as Christians were are able to forgive, especialy when we know it is easier, cheaper, & healthier to forgive each other when both our natures & languages are themselves the cause of our stumbling.If a word offends a person... like the word Romish...etc... why use it?
Wow, cool. That's neat you guys share the forum. My wife goes to Gunbroker's.com (don't mess with her, lol)I know that I'm NewMan99's wife
I remember being in 2nd grade & thinking, "If only I was Italian like Charlie Navarro, the priests & nuns would have that special affection they show him, for me too." LOL.and that probably kinda disqualifies me, but no matter who my husband may be, I do find those words offensive and I pray that we all will find a way to respect each other enough to at least not use offensive slurs against or towards each other.
1. Why do those terms offend you?CJ,
If a person doesn't know that the words "Romish" "Romanist" "Popish" etc... are hightly offensive to ALL Catholics (not just me) - then this person has NO BUSINESS talking to Catholics.
I have my beliefs and opinions as do you, sorry if you find them offensive. Oh, and BTW, I've done my homework, lot's and lot's of it.They need to do their homework first.
You know, if that's where we wanted to be, that's where we'd be. If that was the type of conversing we wanted to participate in, that's where we'd be.Look - do yourself a favor...go to ANY rabid anti-Catholic website you want. There are plenty to choose from. By "rabid" I mean the frothing-at-the-mouth variety. Go to Jack Chick. Dave Hunt. Robert Zins. You know the list. Go there and see how often those words are used. And in what context. They are used as weapons, with a sneer on their lips.
Have you ever visited OBOB? Because, we are often mocked and scoffed at there. (Or there was a day. Don't know about now. I quit visiting the forum when my blood pressure started shooting up.)Now...go to ANY Catholic site. ANY of them. Look for those words. You will not find them used once in any context. Ever.
Why?The difference here is that words like "Romish" are considered as a pejoritive by ALL Catholics in today's world.
So, then have you completely stopped using the term Protestant? If one is offended, then by your logic as you assert about yourself and the rest of the Catholic Church, all are most likely offended.If someone tells me that they are not Protestant or they don't like to be called the term, I don't argue with them (like you are with me) or presume to tell them that they are being too thin-skinned (like you are with me).
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