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Perverted homosexual arguments

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Both Paul and Christ spoke about sexual immorality ALL the time, neither talked about eating shellfish, pigskin, or wearing mixed fabrics. That argument is just crazy. By your standards, David, I could justify an open marriage - I could simply state that it is among consenting adults, I love my other partner and Christ never stated the words "open marriage" in the Bible. Both homosexuality and open marriages are considered sexual immorality and you know it. If you want to walk towards sin that is your business, but don't embrace it, celebrate it and twist God's words.
 
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I disagree, our worldview is inferior and has been slowly degrading over time.
The historical and patristic Christian worldview is black and white. Good and evil, right and wrong. It was never tempered with arguements such as "but it feels so right" or "I could really feel the spirit move me". Read the case of the Cathars at Albi. They even called themselves "Bonnes Chritians", literally, good christians. Their elders were called Prefecti, or The Perfect, because they so humbly followed what they preached. And what they preached was forbidding of marriage and childbirth, acceptance of fornication, and forced ritualistic suicide. This cult was condemned by the Church and rightful expunged from Europe. However, many revisionist Christians are looking at the Albigensians as an example of "persecuted Christians who were just doing what the spirit led them to do", which in plain terms, was openly defy the the teachings of Christ.

Love has gotten corrupted to think that all action is tolerable as long as you are trying to serve Christ. Even Jesus didn't think that way. When He forgave the adulterous woman, He said, "No one condemns you, and neither do I condemn you. Go and SIN NO MORE."

I have children. I love my children. I love them enough to discipline them when they do wrong. When my 6 year old son hit his 20 month old sister with a plastic truck, I took him to his room, dropped his drawers, and turned his fanny red with my belt. Does that mean I hate him for spanking him? Is it loving of me to let him think he can go around and hit other kids, or pick on kids that are smaller than him? Is it very loving for me to make him think that actions don't have consequences? Just some questions to ponder.
 
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Are any of you pro-gay people going to propose an argument to biblically justify sexual immorality? Or is this just a game of 666 suggestions to doubt what the scripture
clearly forbids?

Even if one accepts the lie that the Law doesn't matter anymore, it still doesn't constitute a valid argument as to how that equates with God blessing homosexual acts.

I think this is expressive of Paul's words regarding sexual immorality.

1 Cor 6:
Do not be deceived.....for many will try.

-If the law is null, then there is no sin (since sin is transgressing the law). If there is no sin then there is no need for salvation. If there is no need for salvation then there is no need for Christ. If there is no need for Christ then why is anyone concerned about being called a sinner for sexual immorality???????????

-Again, if there is no sin of sexual immorality as leviticus records and as Christ upheld, then why are so many so concerned with justifying sexual immorality? Seriously, if there is no such thing as sexual immorality then why all the concern over justifying homosexuals????

Why not just focus your efforts on teaching others how there is no right or wrong, no sin or salvation???

For it is impossible to deny what is spoken so plainly in scripture, what is so plainly known inside the Christian heart. Just as we all know that it is perverted to have sexual relations with our mothers, aunts, fathers, sisters, brothers, pets etc etc, so we know in the same way that it is a perverted act to have sex with another man (or a woman with a woman). It is the very nature of what sexual perversion is that exposes why this is so.

Even copper age pre-Christian/Judaic Europeans killed homosexuals as offenders. (according to the mud-people exhibit at the Calgary Museum). I've seen one male dog bite another male dog for trying to have intercourse with it! Even dogs!!!

Besides, don't you think it is a 'pain in the butt' to have male-male intercourse??? How many hospital visits does it take to learn that it is a crappy deal? How many of your buddies will drop dead from aids before you see that sexual release is not worth it! (I really feel for my homosexual aquaintence who has gone to 5 or so funerals for his gay friends from aids, one older TV I met said he had lost 20 of his friends to the disease). Another gripe, for without going to give sperm to the bank your bloodline will become extinct! There is no fruit and multiplying with the gay life-style.

Shoot man, I can turn myself on for my hand if I want, ever seen american pie? It was a pie!!!! Every heterosexual male knows that their wife is not the only woman they have ever been sexually attracted to, but does that make it justified to cheat on our wives because of animal desires? What if our wives want to have an open marriage, how many screwed up relationships will we witness before we see that this is not in accordance with God's Law?? By the Grace of God our animal desires are transformed into righteous desire to make a ton of babies (*hint hint Tulip*:o ) and become one flesh with parts that fit naturally with our spouses.

Again, my goodness, I crave cigarettes that are freaking killing me. My orientation is to smoke a pack a day. But I would rather confess my sins every night for overindulgence and being a very unrighteous individual than deceiving myself into thinking that just because I feel like smoking it must be a good thing. Sometimes I feel like beating certain people with sticks, but I will not allow my angry orientation to take over so that I actually do the act. No, I will not even entertain the thought of beating someone with a stick etc. (unless it helps them, sometimes people need a good beating, might happen someday )

Desires, sexual orientations, passions, cravings, wants... none of these things justify actions, more often they lead us to hell.

Yet by the Grace of God our evil desires that once enslaved us can be overcome and transformed into righteous desire.

And that is my rant
 
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2 Cor 11:13-15

13For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

I keep thinking that to many people have forgotten that satan can transform himself into an angel of light. Going about deceiving whom he will.
 
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So you are saying you don't believe in the Holy Spirit's interpretation? You don't believe that God can open our eyes and the scriptures to them?
Sure God can. That doesn't mean you don't interpret it yourself, though.
If I were you, only awknowledging the matereal and not the spiritual of the bible
You'll kindly refrain from putting words into my mouth from this point forward. My manner will be far less cordial the next time it happens.
 
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Even if one accepts the lie that the Law doesn't matter anymore, it still doesn't constitute a valid argument as to how that equates with God blessing homosexual acts.
Why not? o you eat shellfish? Do you wear underwear with elastic and cotton in it?
 
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If you are not actually trying to deny that we have the Holy Spirit for interpretation, then let me respond to this again.

If you say I am forced to acknowledge that I interpret the bible every time I pick it. How does this mean I am forced to believe my own thoughts and interpretation??? I'm not saying that I am incapable of error, but I will not embrace the folly of following my own interpretation instead of the Holy Spirit.

You are the one who accused me
But you do that anyway
(following my interpretation)

So how do you know I do this unless you say that there is no other choice? How can you accuse me of such if you do not know such to be true? If you acknowledge the Holy Spirit then you cannot accuse me of following my own interpretation simply because I read the bible.

It stands, don't follow your own thoughts or interpretation, rely on God and God alone.

This is not a matter of one opinion against another, or one interpretation against another. This is a matter of true verses false.
 
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Care to place a small wager? $10 says he's wearing undies right now

You guys are hilarious. Are you saying if I don't adhere to all levitical laws then I am a hypocrite for quoting Jesus and calling them all valid?

In order to adhere to all the laws I would have to be perfect in understanding and deed. I am neither perfect in understanding nor deed.

So why do you ask if I adhere to all the laws? Must I perfectly love my neighbor in order to repeat God's command that we do so?

Must I be perfect in order to repeat God's command that we are to be perfect?

Why do you ask me if I follow all the law?

But I will quote Paul in my answer, Acts 24


Shall finding a speck of dirt on my underpants justify your sins?

If you find one fault with me, does that nullify God's righteousness?

The Law is good.
 
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Are you under the law, and which law are you under?

thanks!!!
 
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You guys are hilarious. Are you saying if I don't adhere to all levitical laws then I am a hypocrite for quoting Jesus and calling them all valid?
Well, pretty much, yeah... if you don't adhere to Levitical law, who are you to criticise anyone else for not adhering to Levitical law... in fact, thats a pretty good definition of what a hypocrit is!
 
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Nobody's asking whether you adhere to all of the laws, especially the ones you don't understand. Surely, however, you understand what "shellfish" "eat" and "don't" mean.

That's clear enough, so the real question is why are you not posting any threads about people coming up with 666 perverted reasons for eating shellfish?

And to be very clear, what I think people are saying is that Leviticus provides almost zero support for your claims that homosexuality is forbidden. You will likely respond that you believe that other portions of the bible support your arguments, but we will be left to wonder then why you so deceptively brought Leviticus up in the first place.
 
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Well, pretty much, yeah... if you don't adhere to Levitical law, who are you to criticise anyone else for not adhering to Levitical law... in fact, thats a pretty good definition of what a hypocrit is!

Be careful, for I critisized people for denying the goodness and validity of the law.

Do you see me denying the goodness and validity of the law?

Tell me though, do you love God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength? If not, if you are a sinner, then will you never tell anyone the greatest commandment of all for fear of being a hypocrite?
I believe you are lost in understanding why the law is good.
 
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Well, pretty much, yeah... if you don't adhere to Levitical law, who are you to criticise anyone else for not adhering to Levitical law... in fact, thats a pretty good definition of what a hypocrit is!

Do you think Christians are bound by the Law?
 
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Do you see me denying the goodness and validity of the law?
Well, its just you seem pretty affronted when we criticise your evil, underpant wearing behaviour, yet at the same time, see nothing wrong with criticising the homosexual behaviour of others...

it seems like you don't expect the bits of the law that you break to be applied to you, just the bits of the law that we break to be applied to us
 
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Do you think Christians are bound by the Law?
When people say "the law"

I think I'd like to see a complete list of everything that is in the law that is applicable under the new covenant, with explanations for which bits are in, and which bits are out
 
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