Perpetual- What does it mean?

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thereselittleflower said:
Quite to the contrary . I believe the New Convenant is for everyone. So you are incorrect in your assumption.


Let's look at that verse in context:

But first, lets address what you left out of my post.

Here it is again,

Please post a scripture that says,

For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of the Gentiles after those days, says Yahuah: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their Elohim, and they shall be My people.

Or post any scriptures that speaks of a covenant made with the gentiles.

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thereselittleflower said:
As Jews under the Old Convenant . . Are you suggesting they remained under the Old Convenant after Jesus had established the New Convenant? Or that they were bound to the Old Covenant after Jesus established the New?


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Please, before you get to other questions, simply answer mine with an answer that applies to what is asked and I then will do the same.

Was Mary (Mother of God?) and Peter (first pope?) of the House of Yisrael?

If so, they also observed the perpetual covenant, Correct?

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Daron

If you wish to be controlling of the conversation in this manner, then we really cannot converse . .

If you do not wish to clarify what you are saying by responding to my questions, I really don't see the point in answering yours . . they come across as in a manner designed to entrap someone into saying something that they are not really saying ..

I do not agree with how you appear to me to be using the word "perpetual" in this context .. however, since you will not answer my questions and I need clarification from you so I can intelligently answer your questions, I cannot answer yours in good faith since I truly believe that they will result in misunderstandings between us.



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thereselittleflower said:
We are not grafted into Israel . .we are grafted into Christ who is the root . . and we become partakers of Christ - of the root and the fatness of the olive tree . .

Yes, I am grafted in, but not into or by the Old Covenant.



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Oh no, the scriptures teach the grafted in are grafted into the Olive Tree and then partake of the root with them.


Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree,

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Rom 11:24 For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?


The grafted in were cut out of the Olive Tree (Yisrael).

So, please tell us when were you cut out of the Olive Tree, that you could be grafted back in?

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Ok, let me try this. But please read all of my posts in this topic to see what the main points are of the topic with the issue of the perpetual covenant of the seventh day Sabbath given to the House of Yisrael.

What is the meaning of Perpetual?

thereselittleflower said:
As Jews under the Old Convenant . . Are you suggesting they remained under the Old Convenant after Jesus had established the New Convenant? Or that they were bound to the Old Covenant after Jesus established the New?


Peace in Him!

Please, before you get to other questions, simply answer mine with an answer that applies to what is asked and I then will do the same.

Was Mary (Mother of God?) and Peter (first pope?) of the House of Yisrael?

If so, they also observed the perpetual covenant of the Seventh Day Sabbath, Correct?

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Daron said:
Ok, let me try this. But please read all of my posts in this topic to see what the main points are of the topic with the issue of the perpetual covenant of the seventh day Sabbath given to the House of Yisrael.
I already did so before beginning to post here.

Hi Daron

I have already answered that question . . please see the beginning of my response you quoted in your post above . .

As Jews under the Old Convenant . .



Now . . do you see how Paul speaks of 2 olive trees? Do you see how your statement and question to me here:

The grafted in were cut out of the Olive Tree (Yisrael).

So, please tell us when were you cut out of the Olive Tree, that you could be grafted back in?
are based on a wrong understanding of what Paul was saying?

The grafted in Paul is speaking of were not cut out of the cultivated olive tree but out of the wild one.

So do you see that I was not cut out of the Olive Tree I am now grafted into?


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thereselittleflower said:
Daron

I think you need to read those scripture passages again . . did you note that he speaks of 2 olive trees?


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Yes it does, one wild one and one cultivated olive tree.

Rom 11:24 For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

The wild olive tree (old Yisrael) which people (natural branches) are cut out of, but are grafted into their own olive tree but cultivated. Yahuah changed the nature of the wild tree to a cultivated one through Yahshuah.

Again:

The grafted in were cut out of the Olive Tree (Yisrael).

So, please tell us when were you cut out of the Olive Tree, that you could be grafted back in?

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thereselittleflower said:
I already did so before beginning to post here.

Hi Daron

I have already answered that question . . please see the beginning of my response you quoted in your post above . .

But first and again, lets address what you left out of my last post.

What is the meaning of Perpetual?

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Daron said:
But first and again, lets address what you left out of my last post.

What is the meaning of Perpetual?

Thank you!
I did not realize you were asking me that . . but, to address your quesiton, the proper question to ask is not what is the meaning of perpetual, but rather what is the meaning of "olam" . .

I don't have time to devote to exploring the meainng of that word right now, so please forgive me for not addressing it further . .

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But real quick . . here are some definitions:

From AN ANALYTICAL STUDY OF WORDS
 
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