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[PERMANENTLY CLOSED] When should we change our reasoning / beliefs?

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Chriliman

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I'll answer your question if you answer this question first:

What is the sound that blue tastes?

My point exactly. It does not make sense to say what sound does blue make, just like it does not make sense that truth would be restricted to finite time and space.

Let me put it this way: for your entire life, is truth always that which is true? Yes of course right? Now imagine eternity, would truth always be that which is true even for eternity? Yes, this makes sense, therefore it makes sense that truth is eternal and since it's not restricted to finite time it is also timeless.

If truth is not eternal and timeless then truth is only that which is true for the finite time of your life time.

If truth is that which is true even when your not around then it makes sense for truth to be eternal and timeless because it does not rely on your finite life to be true.

This shouldn't be that hard to understand.
 
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Still making threads with titles indicating epistemology, yet really have nothing to do with epistemology.

Truth is not a thing. It is a label that behaves as an adjective. You're misusing it as if it was some object that requires a source to exist. Again.
 
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I didn't say truth is a thing and I didn't say truth has a source. If truth is eternal and timeless it has no beginning and no end, it simply is. Truth is true, it just is. I'm not sure how you can dispute that, but go ahead and try.
 
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What the heck is this then?
 
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What the heck is this then?

I believe both God and truth are eternal and timeless. Along with love, forgiveness, mercy, grace and whatever else is good.

The opposite is true for hate, deceit, pain, suffering and whatever else is bad. These are finite in that they have a beginning but no end.

I was mistaken in saying God is the source of truth, what I clearly meant was God is truth. This is what I believe to be true.

Have I made myself clear?
 
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What do you mean by "God is truth"? Are you saying that God and truth are interchangeable words, so to speak, in that what we call truth is actually God?
 
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"I'm sorry. I didn't realize that the attributes of God (eternal) aren't allowed in arguing. By God's very nature He is immortal and eternal" - Again special pleading. If you define the deity into something that is something that suits your claim that's not evidence or reason, that's wishful thinking, I'm not buying that slight of hand. It's special pleading - end of.

"Just because which atom will decay is impossible to predict (at least for us) doesn't make it entirely chaotic. There is chaos, yes, but there's order within that chaos. If it were truly absolutely chaotic there would be no way to tell which atom will decay and no way to predict how long the overall decay would take"
. So you agree it is chaotic, good - even though you've tried to define your way out of it.

"As far as the gospels, you choose to believe that the other gospels copied the account of Mark's gospel because otherwise the similar accounts would be more evidence of their truth. That's not a fact." Actually I don't choose to believe it at all - you are completely wrong there. There is no choice involved. I have reviewed the evidence and come to a reasoned conclusion. That's it. It's exactly the same when I look at Hinduism, Islam, Zoroastrianism etc. Look at the evidence and it just doesn't stack up.
 
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