[PERMANENTLY CLOSED] Genesis 1:6

Steeno7 said:

Ummm, no. In the beginning, God created the heavens AND the earth. The earth is there "at the beginning".

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Is that what the Holy Ghost told you or what you read in a book?

John 14:26
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name,
he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

029b10 said:

Is that what the Holy Ghost told you or what you read in a book?

John 14:26
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name,
he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

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It's what the Holy Spirit tells us in Genesis 1.

Steeno7 said:

It's what the Holy Spirit tells us in Genesis 1.

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Luke 11:13
13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children:
ahow much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

Being evil, not saying you are, but Genesis 1 start off in verse 1, In the beginning...

Since it is written, man shall not live by bread alone but ever word the proceedeth from
the mouth of the LORD doth man live, I guess Jhn 8:44 is talking to you

Chapter 1 of Genesis, and especially Gen 1:6, along with dozens of confirming verses elsewhere, depict the world as flat, under a hard dome, underwater. It makes obvious sense when looking out at the blue sky and seeing the stars rise and set as if they were moving inside a dome. It's not a new idea - Christians have recognized this since long before any of us were born, and still do today. It's what is learned in seminary, and your priest already knows it. I can post more supporting verses, and in the meantime, here is a video from a church where it is explained (start at around the 40 minute mark).

In Christ-

Papias

029b10 said:

Luke 11:13
13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children:
ahow much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

Being evil, not saying you are, but Genesis 1 start off in verse 1, In the beginning...

Since it is written, man shall not live by bread alone but ever word the proceedeth from
the mouth of the LORD doth man live, I guess Jhn 8:44 is talking to you

Spoiler: John 8:44

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.
He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth,
because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie,
he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

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You're out of line and off topic, not to mention being a real jerk.

Jan Volkes said:

Prior to this the earth was just a ball of water floating in space, although there was no core to make it a ball so what was it? magic from start to finish?
How many Americans believe this?

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Water is made from hydrogen and oxygen. So the gas became a liquid. That is why you need a plant to take the water and convert it back into oxygen. Back at the time of the dinosaurs the oxygen levels were much lower then after their extinction when the mammals began to radiate.

Steeno7 said:

You're out of line and off topic, not to mention being a real jerk.

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You walked into that one, and please tell me that just because we read something in the Bible doesn't mean we know what it means except but it be our own opinion. And I will show you what I mean, if you give me a few since I need to get something done offline

029b10 said:

You walked into that one, and please tell me that just because we read something in the Bible doesn't mean we know what it means except but it be our own opinion. And I will show you what I mean, if you give me a few since I need to get something done offline

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I'm not interested in your opinion.

Papias said:

Chapter 1 of Genesis, and especially Gen 1:6, along with dozens of confirming verses elsewhere, depict the world as flat,

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What gave it away? verse 2?

Genesis 1:2a And the earth was without form, and void;

AV1611VET said:

What gave it away? verse 2?

Genesis 1:2a And the earth was without form, and void;

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In Gen. 1, the raw material was first brought into being, and the rest of the chapter then explains how that raw material was organized into the ordered world, kosmos.

Steeno7 said:

In Gen. 1, the raw material was first brought into being, and the rest of the chapter then explains how that raw material was organized into the ordered world, kosmos.

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That's basically what I said about the earth.

The earth was created with a liquid containing all the elements necessary to then create the landmass ex materia.

AV1611VET said:

That's basically what I said about the earth.

The earth was created with a liquid containing all the elements necessary to then create the landmass ex materia.

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If God made this "primordial seawater", why bother when he could have just made the earth?

AV1611VET said:

That's basically what I said about the earth.

The earth was created with a liquid containing all the elements necessary to then create the landmass ex materia.

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No, we are not saying the same thing at all.

AV1611VET said:

What gave it away? verse 2?

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A lot of verses "gave it away", making it clear. One was verse 1:6, as pointed out in the OP:


A good discussion of this from a Christian point of view is here: http://www.christianorthodox.net/beyond-firmament-thinking/

There are lots of other verses too, of course:

Flat Earth-

Bible tells us that the earth is flat like a piece of clay stamped under a seal (Job 38:13-14), that it has edges as only a flat plane would (Job 38:13-14,.Psa 19:4), is set on a foundation, like a table (2Sm 22:16, Ps 18:15, 102:25, Pr 8:27-29, Is 48:13), has a length as only a flat plane would (Dan 4:11, Job 11:9, Job 28:24, Job 37:3, Job 38:13, Job 38:44, Jrm 16:19), that it is a circular disk (Isa 40:22), and that its entire surface can be seen from a high tree (Dan 4:10-11) heaven (Job 28:24) or mountain (Matt 4:8) or which is impossible for a sphere, but possible for a flat disk. Taken literally, as the YECs insist we do, any one of these passages shows a flat earth. Taken together, they are even more clear. And many Christians in history have interpreted it as such.


Geocentrism-

The Bible describes the earth as unmovable, set on a foundation of either pillars in water (1 Sam 2:8, 1 Chr 16:30, Job 9:6, 38:4, Psa 24:1-2, 75:s3, 93:1, 96:10, 104:5, 136:6). It also tells us that, although the earth does not move, the sun and stars do move about it (Josh 10:12, Psa 19:4-6, 50:1, Ecc 1:5 (note “returns”, not perspective), Hab 3:11). And that the stars could be dropped down onto the earth like fruit falling from a tree (Rev. 6:13). Taken literally, as the YECs insist we do, these verses show geocentrism. And many Christians in history have interpreted it as such.



We live under a dome-

The Bible describes the sky (firmament -- literally "metal bowl made by a hammer"- Gen 1:6-8, 1:14-17) as a solid dome, like a tent (Isa 40:22, Psa 19:4, 104:2, Pr 8:27-29, Ezk 1:26), that is arched over the surface of the earth. It also has windows to let rain/snow in (Gen 7:11, 8:2, Deut 28:12, 2 Kings 7:2, Job 37:18, Mal 3:10, Rev 4:1). Ezekiel 1:22 and Job 37:18 even tell us that it's hard like bronze and sparkles like ice, that God walks on it (Job 22:14) and can be removed (Rev 6:14). Taken literally, as the YECs insist we do, these verses show a solid sky above us. And again, many Christians in history have interpreted it as such.



In Christ Jesus-

Papias

Papias said:

A lot of verses "gave it away", making it clear.

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It's only clear to scientists -- not Christians who know better.

(And no, I'm not saying scientists aren't Christians; else I would have put a comma after "who.")

Look at verse nine ...

Genesis 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

How do you call forth something from water if the earth is flat?

Pull a balloon up out of the bathtub and the water recedes back down around the edge of the balloon and back into the tub as the balloon comes out.

You can even do the same thing with a flat piece of tile and the water will recede back into the tub.

If the earth is flat, what did the landmass come out of?

Even the assumption that God created land as a "seed inside of a ball of water," then expanded that seed outward in all directions doesn't speak of a flat earth.

Papias said:

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Interesting.

An unsigned picture.

How convenient.

Years ago someone posted a signed picture of this, and I looked up the signature and looked him up on Wikipedia.

The man was Antibiblical to the core.

Since then, I can't even find a signed picture on the Net.

AV1611VET said:

It's only clear to scientists -- not Christians who know better.

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The site I gave was a Christian site. We aren't going to start with the "Christianer than thou!" I hope.

AV1611VET said:

Look at verse nine ...

Genesis 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

How do you call forth something from water if the earth is flat?

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Well, He is God, after all.

AV1611VET said:

Even the assumption that God created land as a "seed inside of a ball of water," then expanded that seed outward in all directions doesn't speak of a flat earth.

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Right. The flat earth is made clear in the Bibles. No need to make up seed water ball ideas.

Oh, and as far as an "unsigned picture" goes, I gave the website it's from. That Christian site.

In Christ-

Papias

AV1611VET said:

That's basically what I said about the earth.

The earth was created with a liquid containing all the elements necessary to then create the landmass ex materia.

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What temperature was this earth and where did the heat come from?

Papias said:

The site I gave was a Christian site.

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Big deal.

Linnaeus was a Christian too, and I'll see him in Heaven.

If ever I had a few choice words for anyone in Heaven (which I don't), it will be for Linnaeus and ... ahem ... F.* Hoyle.

* For "Fred" of course.

VirOptimus said:

What temperature was this earth and where did the heat come from?

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I don't know.

It was the temperature of God's will at the time.

It certainly was the only object in the universe at the time with mass, and sat in the hollow (palm) of God's hand.

Over a period of six days, God raised the level of mass/energy up to its current level today, then locked it in with what scientists call the Law of Conservation.