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paulm50 said:

You can always prove the truth. It's not hard. Reliable eyewitness accounts, would prove aliens.

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What basis does apparent human insight and knowledge have in proving the concrete, non-ambiguous and absolute proof of a reality - other than their own views?

The world can see an event one way, and you different - which version is truth to you?

Davian said:

I can't say that I really wanted to question and argue with religionists about their beliefs until after I had children, and saw how they had or wanted access to our government, the school system, and my children for the purposes of promoting their many, varied, and often contradictory beliefs.

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Is that unusual among secular society?

seekingsolace said:

What basis does apparent human insight and knowledge have in proving the concrete, non-ambiguous and absolute proof of a reality - other than their own views?

The world can see an event one way, and you different - which version is truth to you?

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Interesting point and what I was pointing out. We can see a different side of the truth. At least we see it, not told it can only be seen by believers.

Knowledge is very important, what do you mean by insight, because it can mean anything.

I shouldn't have to believe to see it. There should be the opportunity for me to go and view the "truth" myself. It shouldn't be a version of the truth, that contradicts itself, or later people have turned around.

Proof of reality, is the key. It has to be real to be true. Something I can check before I accept it as the truth.

Truth. Jesus lived. Was he the Messiah of the Jews as prophesied? He wasn't able to convince them. So should a son of god, a Messiah, Saviour, do better?

Garden of Eden, did it exist 6,000 years as written? Not true. This might get deleted as it's blasphemy. So read it quickly. The evidence is overwhelming, even Christians accept it and only the die hards believe it.

And here's the cruncher. Are all religious men, good, true and never lie, mislead, do bad? True. So now we have to ask questions when people say it's "God's Will".

SkyWriting said:

Is that unusual among secular society?

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For me, the church has an awful record when it was given access to Government, and education. So I don't want them back influencing the raising of my children or determining the laws.

The way some try to lead the US Government and Ireland, shows why it's bad. I can add more countries to the list.

Would you like a Government led by RCC, LDS, Witnesses or Islam? So don't bet on it being a part of religion you agree with.

Andrew Abernathey said:

..."IF" there truly is God and judgement after death and "assuming there is an eternal death. And "assuming" there is a choice of eternal life. Are you truly willing to stand before God on the day of judgement "assuming" it comes and tell Him you have chosen death?

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This is is just a restatement of Pascal's Wager, and has all the same problems, such as the 'Argument from Inconsistent Revelations' (which God?) and the 'Argument from Inauthentic Belief' (faking belief may be worse than honest disbelief), etc.

anonymous person said:

God is responsible for sending people to hell the same way a judge is responsible for sending a criminal to jail.

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I assume you then agree with; if someone is not a Christian, they go to hell, correct?

If that is the case, why would your God create a situation, where 2/3 of the world's population is doomed?

anonymous person said:

Of course.

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And of course you need to convince yourself of this, because if others who disagree with you, are in fact interested in finding the truth, your personal theology is somehow threatened.

Classical defense mechanism.

anonymous person said:

Not to those unwilling to see it.

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Unwilling to "see" what? I have not seen you demonstrate anything besides your personal opinions and beliefs.

When you have something besides that, let us know.

Andrew Abernathey said:

It is not my purpose to demonstrate what His truth does by performing a mirical for you (though I do pray that that would be the case) but by telling you that power you are seeking to see can only be seen through the power of the Holy Spirit. This is the case.What you want to see can only be done if you ask for it.

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What you describe above, is why the world is filled with so many different denominations of Christianity alone and many different religions, with different concepts of God. People tend to seek and see, what their personal psychological needs, want them to see.

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