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Eudaimonist · Aug 28, 2015

Poster0 said:
Did you actually read any of my posts?

Yes.

I tried to define love as truth.

I have no idea what you mean by that. Can you define those terms for me or give me a post number where you do?

If you go back and read my posts you will see, it may take a little study and meditation to grasp what i was saying, just like many other things need as well, but i assure you that there is an explanation there.

Perhaps you can give me thread names and post numbers.

Motivations don't come from neural activity. Neural activity is an effect caused by our motivations.

Neural activity both causes and is caused by our motivations.

As far as your question about being motivated by hate goes, that is us as well. That is another truth that is part of who we are. We are love and hate.

Then the following statement of yours is in error.

I was suggesting that love is the part of us that is meaningful, and love, along with happiness, is the motivation for everything we do, so love in essence is us, its the driving force behind everything we do.

Agreed?

We are not a body of flesh, we are instead what is in our heart, that love and hate.

I understand that you believe that, but our "heart" (or capacity for emotions) is an aspect of our brain function.

I hate death and that's not a bad thing. I love life and that's not a bad thing either.

I completely agree with you on this point.

eudaimonia,

Mark

Poster0 · Aug 28, 2015

Eudaimonist said:
There are some Christians who do.

eudaimonia,

Mark

Just like in most groups of people, you cant blame the group for the actions of some. At one time before i grew up in knowledge of scripture, i might have went to an Atheist web sight and argued, but the scriptures have taught me to seek peace with all men, and love, along with many things that teach me that i should not go to an atheist web sight and argue. Not all Christians see it that way but thats what i learned. I also dont care about politics and the law. Im not trying to turn America into a Christian Theocracy. I believe that i should seek the kingdom of heaven not a worldly nation. Not all Christians agree with me there either, but thats what i learned. My faith is to seek heaven and spiritual things, not worldly things. Im not perfect, but im trying and im following that path. If a person doesn't like Christians coming to their websites and arguing, but then they go to Christian websites and do the same thing, then they only prove that they are just like the person they hate, They become what they hate, or they prove that they love war instead of peace. Retaliation is war, not peace.

Eudaimonist · Aug 28, 2015

Poster0 said:
Just like in most groups of people, you cant blame the group for the actions of some.

Just like you can't blame atheists for what some atheists do.

eudaimonia,

Mark

anonymous person · Aug 28, 2015

Archaeopteryx said:
So you concede that God is ultimately responsible for the damnation of souls by not drawing them toward himself?

God gives each person a measure of light. If they go toward that light He gives them more. If they turn from it He is not obligated to give them any more light. In turning from the light they make their decision. Each person therefore is responsible for either rejecting or following that drawing light.

anonymous person · Aug 28, 2015

Freodin said:
You are aware that this position is self-contradicting, are you?

I am aware that this is what Jesus said. That's all I need.

bhsmte · Aug 28, 2015

Poster0 said:
Im sorry but i do believe that much of the study in evolution is just fantasy. Im not trying be a creationist hardliner, its just what i believe.

IMO, it is more, what you need to believe.

bhsmte · Aug 28, 2015

anonymous person said:
God gives each person a measure of light. If they go toward that light He gives them more. If they turn from it He is not obligated to give them any more light. In turning from the light they make their decision. Each person therefore is responsible for either rejecting or following that drawing light.

Opinion.

bhsmte · Aug 28, 2015

GrowingSmaller said:
If evolution then fossils etc,
fossils etc...

therefore evolution....

i.e. affirming the consequent.

Slightly more to it, than that.

bhsmte · Aug 28, 2015

anonymous person said:
Jesus said that unless one is born again, they cannot see the Kingdom of God. No one is born again unless they have been regenerated by the Holy Spirit of God. No one can be regenerated by the Holy Spirit unless they come to Jesus as Lord and Savior. No one can come to Jesus as Lord and Savior unless the Father draw them. No one can be drawn by God unless God choose to draw them.

From beginning to end, salvation is a work of God to which we contribute nothing save the sins that necessitate our salvation.

Poster0, remember that the natural carnal man will not receive the things of God because he is unable to receive them apart from a work of God taking place in the heart. Therefore pray for this for them that God has called you to minister to.

And you are free to believe the above.

bhsmte · Aug 28, 2015

As I was saying said:
Typical atheist response. You are lying or it is not true. As Jack Nicholson said In "A Few Good Men" "You can't handle the truth."

Oh and by the way. Scientifically minded people don't say "you are lying" or "I don't believe you." Only people who want to obfuscate the truth say that.

What truth?

Can you demonstrate it?

bhsmte · Aug 28, 2015

As I was saying said:
First I have deleted the rest of your post because it is self serving superficiality.

Second, you are not scientifically minded because if you were you would not believe in evolution which is not scientific it is a philosophy.

You don't want evidence. You want an argument. The head honcho of the atheists in my country said in a piece that miracles do not happen today. i sent him all the details of a miracle that took place that would have allowed him to verify the miracle or not as the case may be.

Did he follow up on it? No and he never will because he is afraid of the truth like you and most other atheists.

He asked for evidence specifically.

Do you have any?

anonymous person · Aug 28, 2015

bhsmte said:
What truth?

Can you demonstrate it?

Not to those unwilling to see it.

anonymous person · Aug 28, 2015

bhsmte said:
And you are free to believe the above.

Yes I know I am.

anonymous person · Aug 28, 2015

bhsmte said:
He asked for evidence specifically.

Do you have any?

None that you will accept if you are unwilling to accept it.

Andrew Abernathey · Aug 28, 2015

anonymous person said:
This is a question for all of those who believe that meaning and purpose are determined by each human being and not some cosmic tyrant/dictator/gods/God/transcendent being etc. etc. and who at the same time want to spend a great deal of time questioning and arguing with Christians about their beliefs.

My question is:

Why is it that you think you can determine what is meaningful and purposeful in your life, but when it comes to the Christian, you want to deny Christians the right to follow the examples of Jesus and His disciples if they find meaning and purpose in doing so?

Lol I hate for this to sound simple but when we as believers are doing what Christ wills for our life He dramatically changes things in and around our lives. Non believers don't like change because with that change they begin to realize what they are. And realize they don't have the freedom they think they do

Andrew Abernathey · Aug 28, 2015

Andrew Abernathey said:
Lol I hate for this to sound simple but when we as believers are doing what Christ wills for our life He dramatically changes things in and around our lives. Non believers don't like change because with that change they begin to realize what they are. And realize they don't have the freedom they think they do

When I say what they are I mean dead to sin. When I say they don't have freedom I'm saying eternal life

paulm50 · Aug 28, 2015

Poster0 said:
Is there no end to this blind misrepresentation of my words? I never said science as a whole was theory, i only said some of it was. Please, dont bother to reply anymore, this discussion is hopelessly deadlocked in idealism masquerading as good science. You apparently think all science is good and we must blindly follow it no matter where it leads, and we should never question it. I don't share that idealism. The bible says not to kill, rape and steal. You are misrepresenting it as well. You can accuse God of those things but the truth is that you are speaking evil of things you dont understand. Please, if you dont like the bible then dont come to Christian web sight. No one is asking you to come here and argue with people.

I apologize about the word theory.

Can you point out what science masquerades as good science, with proof please.

Yes the bible says don't kill, then it says do kill. God has given orders to kill, enslave, rape and steal. Isaiah 13:15-18 Numbers 31:7-18 NLT Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT There is a lot more. On the orders of god or men masquerading?

paulm50 · Aug 28, 2015

Andrew Abernathey said:
Lol I hate for this to sound simple but when we as believers are doing what Christ wills for our life He dramatically changes things in and around our lives. Non believers don't like change because with that change they begin to realize what they are. And realize they don't have the freedom they think they do

My life has been dramatically changed, by a priest when I was young. Don't ask more.

Your life has been changed for the better, a lot of people have found their life worse off because of religion. To assume we don't like change, that it reveals something worse, that we don't have freedom. Is absurd.

I have the freedom to do, within the law, what I please without being ruled by a book. I also have the freedom to be converted. All it needs is real proof. Do you have that freedom to read a book that points out categorically that parts of the bible are wrong. Or make excuses for them. I posted a few links in my previous post, gods orders or men lying?

Andrew Abernathey · Aug 28, 2015

bhsmte said:
What truth?

Can you demonstrate it?

The truth sir that there is life after death and that just denying that God has any involvement in this existence let alone just to simply choose to have faith in His Son your soul (the thing that makes you, you) is dead and has no chance of immortality.whether or not you choose to believe in nothing. And I don't have to demonstrate God He will demonstrate Himself through the Holy Spirit. Make the choice to accept Jesus and ask Him into your life and He will present Himself to you and it will be undeniable.

Andrew Abernathey · Aug 28, 2015

paulm50 said:
My life has been dramatically changed, by a priest when I was young. Don't ask more.

Your life has been changed for the better, a lot of people have found their life worse off because of religion. To assume we don't like change, that it reveals something worse, that we don't have freedom. Is absurd.

I have the freedom to do, within the law, what I please without being ruled by a book. I also have the freedom to be converted. All it needs is real proof. Do you have that freedom to read a book that points out categorically that parts of the bible are wrong. Or make excuses for them. I posted a few links in my previous post, gods orders or men lying?

The Holy Spirit revieled to me through the living Word the exact things you are asking. Prayer is powerful. The living Word is powerful. If your spirit really wants to understand the Word truly ask for the Holy Spirit to intercede for you and the Spirit will show you the truth. I pray for you brothers and sisters in Christ. I pray to Jesus through the Holy Spirit that you would truly just seek Him. There is wisdom in the things of God that by only asking the Holy Spirit for that wisdom can we truly understand. I pray for you personally sir that God would fill you with His peace. I pray that His love will abound in your life and that He will show you His everlasting grace and an understanding of that grace.LORD everything is in your hands and I give it all to you. Everything is for your glory Lord. Grace and peace with you from the Lord.

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