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Perfection is very hard to pin done, as no one can claim it, God is the judge of it. I have found most Adventist are more comfortable with the use of Sanctification and the process of it, and there is no conflict, as in the end, those with sin and iniquity will not get into heaven.May I Ask What People Believe Perfection Of Character To Be.my View Is This,that In Reality The Perfection Of Character Or Christ Is The Obedience Of The Ten Commandments.and What We Are Doing Is Striving For Christ Character.i Am Not Perfect In Body But We Can Attain To The Character Of Jesus
Not clear what your point is....Sorry this is thought of as adventist 'idea'(if it is).... but no worries (maybe).....
take seven pounds of clay, and put it on the kitchen table in front of you (anyone).
watch it closely for a few years.
Sorry this is thought of as adventist 'idea'(if it is).... but no worries (maybe).....
take seven pounds of clay, and put it on the kitchen table in front of you (anyone).
watch it closely for a few years.
oh, forgot about this for a while....Not clear what your point is....
oh, forgot about this for a while....
(on purpose) - it hasn't been years yet, has it ? hahahaha..... no, that's okay...
what can that clay on the table do ?
watch it,
does it move ? in a day? in a week ? in 7 years ?
does it grow ? change ? get better or worse ?
COOL! First one to "get it"good one! reminds me of Jeremiah
Can an Ethiopian change his skin or a leopard its spots? Neither can you do good who are accustomed to doing evil.
COOL! First one to "get it".....
Next is realize, EVERYONE is lump of clay......
As far as perfection of character is concerned, my personal view is that I dont have a view at all. I like observing what God is doing in my life and how my character has been changing over time. I believe that God will do to me what needs to be done, that He will shape me the way He wants me to be and use me for whatever He has planned to use me.
So its all up to Him.
May I Ask What People Believe Perfection Of Character To Be.my View Is This,that In Reality The Perfection Of Character Or Christ Is The Obedience Of The Ten Commandments.and What We Are Doing Is Striving For Christ Character.i Am Not Perfect In Body But We Can Attain To The Character Of Jesus
That is only a partial definition. Don't ignore the other parts. (that is a weakness of the Wesleyan branch of protestantism)Sin is "Transgression of the LAW" in 1 John 3:4.
Amen! Sanctification is the perfecting of our characters by the HS....1. Sin is not ubiquitous - so then you are not sinning when you kneed in prayer or eat breakfast or mow the lawn -- unless you choose to sin in such instances.
2. But simply not-sinning is not perfection of Character. The lost comes to Christ and is baptized - in that baptism they are typically "not sinning" but that does not mean their character is that of Christ - they still have defects of character.
Sin is "Transgression of the LAW" in 1 John 3:4. Romans 6 argues that sin is not to be our master. But the fact that we are not sinning at some time during the day does not mean we are perfect or have attained perfection of Character. Character deals with our inclination our desires. The New Creation is in harmony with God but our sinful nature is strong and must be starved over time - feeding the new creation .. starving the sinful nature via the work of the Holy Spirit ... in prayer, in meditation, in Bible study... in service to God sharing the Gospel with those around us.
But that is such a misunderstood and misused term: sanctification.Amen! Sanctification is the perfecting of our characters by the HS....
Your understanding is close to what we believe sanctification is... the only difference is that we believe that it is possible for a man to walk righteously through the leading of the Spirit. Enoch was one example showing us that it is possible... probable for most of us attaining to it?... maybe not.But that is such a misunderstood and misused term: sanctification.
I never quite swallowed it as described by John Wesley. "Total Sanctification" where the person never sins again.
Everyone that I have talked to that claims to have experienced this has a wayyyyyy tooooooo narrow definition of sin.
I take it as an ongoing life long process that changes our thoughts and actions to increasingly line up with the Word of God. Not that we ever completely get there, but we can get close.
Your understanding is close to what we believe sanctification is... the only difference is that we believe that it is possible for a man to walk righteously through the leading of the Spirit. Enoch was one example showing us that it is possible... probable for most of us attaining to it?... maybe not.
If my goal is 10 feet I will never reached 15, will I ? Those that say perfection is not possible will, by declaration, never attain it because they won't try. All God asks of us is all we have to give...
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