People with extreme anti-science views know the least...

essentialsaltes said:

Although you have claimed that geological dating is 'not science', it is a scientific fact that the earth is billions of years old.

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essentialsaltes said:

Literal proof is for mathematics, but we have strong enough evidence from radiometric tests that it is simply a scientific fact that the earth is billions of years old.

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Sound Doctrine said:

Many things such as the age of geological formations for example, are not science, in that such formations cannot be dated by any known means. Such attempts at dating using scientific equipment, which are employed in scientific method show that the radiometric dating systems, do not agree with each other, proving that dating the age of rock is non scientific. That the different radiometric dating types give differing results is fact. The results can be millions or even billions of years apart for the same rock formations, studies performed in the same labs by the same unbiased people.

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Sound Doctrine said:

Many things such as the age of geological formations for example, are not science

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FrumiousBandersnatch said:

I notice they draw the obvious parallel with the Dunning-Kruger effect.

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If you’re very, very stupid, how can you possibly realize that you’re very, very stupid? You’d have to be relatively intelligent to realize how stupid you are.”

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Sound Doctrine said:

Atheists, you can't ridicule me about my faith beyond that which I have already heard and read. The following is the atheist according to the Lord:

2 Timothy 3:1-9 - "1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. 9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was."

Your pseudo intellectualism is spelled out perfectly in these verses. Stay in this forum that the Holy Spirit of God may convict you of your sin, or leave. But if you leave it is back into utter darkness laden with your sins. "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." - Romans 6:23.

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essentialsaltes said:

“And indeed, that’s actually true for the people who are moderate, or people who have the attitude that is consistent with the scientific consensus,” he said.

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Justatruthseeker said:

Ptolemy's followers were also moderate and had a view consistent with the scientific consensus.... Sadly every single one of them were wrong.....

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FrumiousBandersnatch said:

So, rather than address the arguments in a civil manner, you prefer direct and quoted ad-hominem insults and empty threats... got it.

Is this the Christian way?

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FrumiousBandersnatch said:

So, rather than address the arguments in a civil manner, you prefer direct and quoted ad-hominem insults and empty threats... got it.

Is this the Christian way?

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Cis.jd said:

I have never seen/experienced such anti-reason in any other forum other than theology boards. It pains me to see the levels of irrationality and just disinterest in "unscriptural" evidence or realistic philosophy from posters here.

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essentialsaltes said:

but think they know the most: study

The study involved genetically modified organisms, where there is little political bias to confuse the issue.

The more extreme the opposition, Fernbach and his co-authors found, the less people knew about the science and genetics, but the more their “self-assessed” knowledge — how much they thought they knew — increased.

“If somebody is well calibrated, those two things should be pretty highly correlated: If I know how much I know, then if I know a little I should say I know a little, and if I know a lot I should say I know a lot,” Fernbach explained. “Therefore there should be a high correlation between self-assessed and objective knowledge.

“And indeed, that’s actually true for the people who are moderate, or people who have the attitude that is consistent with the scientific consensus,” he said.

However, as people become more extreme, that relationship degrades and flips so that people who think they know more actually know less.

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Sound Doctrine said:

I disagree with the author. Some geniuses have made important scientific discoveries that went completely against "scientific" consensus, yet are scientifically proven to be true. Many scientists produce science that the Bible warns us is false, as in "science falsely so-called."

Take the politically biased and unscrupulous claims by many in "science" that claim the earth's atmosphere has warmed due to increasing man-made (AGW) CO2. To start with, Dr. James Hansen, former chief scientist at NASA claimed this to be the case based totally on pushing a global crisis agenda, creating a crisis that does not really exist. His report gives the formula for calculating global temperature changes. In that calculation is a calculation of the earth's albedo. The albedo changes as the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere changes, due to natural cycles. Hansen made the variable albedo a fixed constant of some number that allows for gradual increases in atmospheric warming, then blames this on CO2.

First of all, the albedo, like the water vapor, is variable. Second, water vapor is by far the most impressive greenhouse gas. Third, CO2 only makes up 0.04% of the earth's atmosphere, and if it were to increase by 100% would still not affect global temperature because it is such a tiny fraction of the atmosphere to begin with. Further, because of such infinitesimal quantities and such a short time of satellite studies, which are the only accurate way to measure the earth's changing environment, it is virtually impossible for "scientists" to evaluate whether changes are caused by man or not.

Hansen's report was never peer-reviewed and was shown to world leaders who received it with the idea that this would justify creating an invented AGW crisis. All scientific papers and reports are supposed to be peer-reviewed, Hansen's wasn't. It was garbage. The earth's atmosphere is warm now because it is natural for it to be, but it is cooling, again due to natural cycles of ocean temperature changes. The ocean temperatures drive the atmosphere. So why the AGW hoax?

Politics - the UN in its Agenda 21 are trying to remove current national borders and constitutions, to be replaced with their own. Everyone is supposed to think globally, not what is best for their country. The result is a New World Order, which George H.W. Bush kept talking about and touting. Create global crises and globally respond to them, nationalism be damned. That is their approach. Work off the emotions of the population, not with real science.

Science in its true form is man's way of trying to understand God's creation. It is false science to leave God out of the equation. The Bible (something you as an atheist don't believe in) says to beware of carefully contrived fables and science falsely so-called. This does not condemn all science, just that which is false. That which is false is that which tries to explain away God. But you see, no matter how hard you try, you can't.

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Dale said:

You claims about climate change are complete nonsense.

I am a chemist by profession, and here is what you need to know about CO2 in the atmosphere. Carbon dioxide is O=C=O or Oxygen double-bond Carbon double-bond Oxygen. The carbon=oxygen double bond absorbs infrared rays at a wavelength crucial to the earth's climate. Chemists and physicists have known that since the late 19th century. Machines are in use every day that make use of the fact that CO2 absorbs infrared.

The net result is that instead of earth radiating heat into space at night, it gets trapped, raising the average temperature of earth's atmosphere.

There is no doubt that this is having an effect. The National Audubon Society has reported that all species of birds that migrate are moving their ranges north. They don't go as far south as they used to. The birds think it's too hot down south. The problem is that in many cases, there is no place for them to go.

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essentialsaltes said:

but think they know the most: study

The study involved genetically modified organisms, where there is little political bias to confuse the issue.

The more extreme the opposition, Fernbach and his co-authors found, the less people knew about the science and genetics, but the more their “self-assessed” knowledge — how much they thought they knew — increased.

“If somebody is well calibrated, those two things should be pretty highly correlated: If I know how much I know, then if I know a little I should say I know a little, and if I know a lot I should say I know a lot,” Fernbach explained. “Therefore there should be a high correlation between self-assessed and objective knowledge.

“And indeed, that’s actually true for the people who are moderate, or people who have the attitude that is consistent with the scientific consensus,” he said.

However, as people become more extreme, that relationship degrades and flips so that people who think they know more actually know less.

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