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<blockquote data-quote="Mystman" data-source="post: 52918603" data-attributes="member: 115563"><p>Men's competition is just a name. We could call it "the actual competition" or just "the competition" (which is how it's often done: there is football, and there is women's football), but both of these might also be considered offensive. </p><p></p><p>As for the scare quotes; I might have a tendency to overuse them when I'm not exactly sure that something fits the generally accepted definition of sometihing. I'm not sure that this person meets the generally accepted definition of woman. Both because I don't know what that definition is, and because I don't know the specifics of her case. No offense intended</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I can't really make a judgement about that. I don't know how many of the top women athletes have such a condition, how many women in the general population have that condition, etc..</p><p></p><p>To reiterate the problem: you have the real (men's) competition, and the "best of the sucky"-competition(s). Deciding who gets to compete in which competition is necesarry. People can earn serious money being the best of the sucky, when they would just have been sucky if they joined the real competition. </p><p></p><p>In an ideal world, there would be some binary property that decides who get's to compete where. The world is not ideal, and so there needs to be some arbitrary cut-off. </p><p></p><p>My personal preverence would be to set the cut-off really low; the number of unusual cases is pretty small, but you only need 3 good male-like female runners on the entire planet to ruin the olympic chances of the other 3 billion females. </p><p></p><p>Your preference seems to be to set the cut-off pretty high, leading to "women's sports" being dominated by the intersexed, with 'normal' (eek, scare quotes) women again having no chance of ever getting that gold olympic medal, just as they had no chance when there was only a single (men's) competition.</p><p></p><p>Exactly what a "high" and "low" cut-off means is always going to arbitrary, the territory of doctors who actually know what they're talking about (i.e., not me), and useless to discuss. But still.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mystman, post: 52918603, member: 115563"] Men's competition is just a name. We could call it "the actual competition" or just "the competition" (which is how it's often done: there is football, and there is women's football), but both of these might also be considered offensive. As for the scare quotes; I might have a tendency to overuse them when I'm not exactly sure that something fits the generally accepted definition of sometihing. I'm not sure that this person meets the generally accepted definition of woman. Both because I don't know what that definition is, and because I don't know the specifics of her case. No offense intended I can't really make a judgement about that. I don't know how many of the top women athletes have such a condition, how many women in the general population have that condition, etc.. To reiterate the problem: you have the real (men's) competition, and the "best of the sucky"-competition(s). Deciding who gets to compete in which competition is necesarry. People can earn serious money being the best of the sucky, when they would just have been sucky if they joined the real competition. In an ideal world, there would be some binary property that decides who get's to compete where. The world is not ideal, and so there needs to be some arbitrary cut-off. My personal preverence would be to set the cut-off really low; the number of unusual cases is pretty small, but you only need 3 good male-like female runners on the entire planet to ruin the olympic chances of the other 3 billion females. Your preference seems to be to set the cut-off pretty high, leading to "women's sports" being dominated by the intersexed, with 'normal' (eek, scare quotes) women again having no chance of ever getting that gold olympic medal, just as they had no chance when there was only a single (men's) competition. Exactly what a "high" and "low" cut-off means is always going to arbitrary, the territory of doctors who actually know what they're talking about (i.e., not me), and useless to discuss. But still. [/QUOTE]
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