Why does the occurrence of pedophilia seem to be so high among priests? Is there a systemic problem, or is it an illusion of media focus?
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Pedophiliac Priests
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PaladinValer
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It is hyped way too much, especially for the Catholic Church. The problem isn't as widespread as the media implies, and I'm quite amazed that it only centered on the problem with the Catholic Church than with other churches and denominations.
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Joe Atheist said:
It is not systemic problem in that the majority of abusive priests were NOT pedophiles but homosexuals raping teenagers.
The media broke the story and but for vile people like ex-cardinal Bernard Law, the problem would probably have been legally resolved earlier.
That said, I do not believe that "the Catholic Church" is responsible for the crimes of its priests.
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PaladinValer
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Source? From what I've heard, the Catholic Church has stated that this wasn't the problem.newlamb said:
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I'm not sure what you are refering to? What did they say was the problem?PaladinValer said:
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Read who I quoted; that is who and what I was referring toJoe Atheist said:
The problem was abusive priests; no doubt about it. However, many people intentionally make the mistake of equating homosexuality with pedophilia (and don't care), so they'll blame both.
The priests should be sacked from the priesthood and excommunicated. Only if they show repentance from their sins, they should be allowed to receive Communion again, but never allowed to be priests again.
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That was obvious... Give me some credit here. I meant what are you refering to when you say "From what I've heard..."PaladinValer said:Read who I quoted; that is who and what I was referring to
I have no problem with them receiving their communion...PaladinValer said:
from their jail cells
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Oh THAT didn't take long... Blame homosexuals for priests molesting children. Geez....newlamb said:
These priests molested children, they WERE pedophilies, plain and simple, regardless of their sexual orientation.
Besides, doesn't the Catholic church forbid and deny homosexuality? They wouldn't ordain a homosexual to be a priest anyway, so these priests who molested children could not have been homosexual. How many of them stated they were homosexual?
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I believe that Man was meant to have a marriage partner and I cant see anywhere in the Bible that it says dont marry only of course you have the gift of celebicy, I think they are just sexually frustrated IMO
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knightlight72
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Actually Veggie, the catholic church does ordain homosexuals. (celibate Homosexuals, but homosexuals in the sense they prefer men in their thoughts, but do not act on those thoughts) The one major issue that came out of that deal, was that at the time of the these pedophile priests started these actions, (where it affected numerous children, and was known, but still not prevented) , it was also the same time the church actively recruited homosexuals, (with the idea they became priests who did not act out their thoughts. The idea being since they could not act on their thoughts without sinning, they could have a way to get closer to God. Obviously people put those two(homosexual priest becoming pedophile priests) together, if it is a coincidence or not, the timing was there.
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gosh thats the first time i have ever heard anyone say this. i was actually having a discussion about this with a friend - i just find that celibacy is what leads to sexual frustration - i guess u really have to be some sort of a saint with absolutely no desire to have sex to be able to live a life like that. i am not judging, just curios as to what makes one choose a life of celibacy - after all every human beings natural instinct is to find a partner...
i dont think its about being a priest, its about being in a position of power and respect and then abusing that power...ofcourse its sexual frustration, but i also think that its just really sick minds...
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fragmentsofdreams
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While most seminaries won't ordain men they know to be homosexual, closeted homosexuals do get ordained.veggie said:Oh THAT didn't take long... Blame homosexuals for priests molesting children. Geez....
These priests molested children, they WERE pedophilies, plain and simple, regardless of their sexual orientation.
Besides, doesn't the Catholic church forbid and deny homosexuality? They wouldn't ordain a homosexual to be a priest anyway, so these priests who molested children could not have been homosexual. How many of them stated they were homosexual?
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fragmentsofdreams
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Paul advocates celibacy for all but says that it is better for those who cannot acheive this to marry. Jesus speaks of those who become celibate for the sake of the kingdom, in other words those who choose to be celibate in order to serve God.artofwar said:
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fragmentsofdreams
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I doubt the Catholic Church has actively recruited celibate homosexuals for the priesthood. Instead, it is more of homosexuals being more likely to consider the priesthood because (if they accept the Church's teaching on this issue) they will be celibate anyway. Joining the priesthood stops people from asking questions.knightlight72 said:
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fragmentsofdreams
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The occurance isn't that high. They just get more attention from the media for a couple of reasons:Joe Atheist said:
1. The priests are supposed to be celibate, which strikes many as aberrant. These people try to connect it to sexual frustration.
2. Several bishops actively tried to cover up the abuse and did not take adequate measures to protect the children. Because the Catholic Church is big, it is more dramatic than a single, unaffiliated church covering up abuse.
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I don't agree with the first statement of this post; however, for the first time in history, I agree with something artofwar said. Nietzsche, I don't know what the purpose of your post was, but it wasn't funny, clever, or in any way illuminating. It made you look like a fool.artofwar said:
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