Many will suggest that Paul is the only Apostle to the Gentiles, yet many of his Epistles were written to Jews. Which ones are these? I'll start it off, Romans was written to ... Jewish believers.
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Paul wrote to both the ethnic Jew and Gentile in Romans. You argue that there was a distinction at that time between the two. Prior to the revelation of the mystery, the Jew still had priviledged status, i.e., "the middle wall of parition"(separation) had not yet fallen. The Jew and Gentile addressed by Paul, after the wall fell, were both considered Gentile="no difference." This is a core component of the mystery. Prior to the mystery, you had to "go through Israel"(see my article(s) discussing this).
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John M. Whalen
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eph3Nine
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Paul preached exclusively to GENTILES...of which the nation Israel WAS after God SET THEM ASIDE. "He (God) concluded them ALL (both Jew and Gentile) in UNBELIEF, so that He might have mercy upon ALL"
Pauls commission was to the GENTILES...which Israel BECAME after God concluded them in UNBELIEF along with all others. Israel, if you remember, is NOW "LO AMMI"...which interpreted means "not my people"...they have LOST their status in this age of grace and are as all other unbelievers.
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Grace is a Jewish thing given by His pleasure to all who come by the One Way into the House of His glory, to dwell, as living stones, adopted into the House for His dwelling made of the New Man.
God has only one living human Son eph3nine and the MAD's haven't got the message yet.
His name is Israel.
In Adam all die in Christ [the Elect Anointed Son of Man whose name is Israel [Isaiah 49] all are made alive -whosoever will.
And He is the Anointed One of Enoch's vision, on whom all the righteous "hang", who was from the beginning Hid in God and concealed ready to be revealed to the elect in the appointed times.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and was God, and the Word became flesh.
He came unto His own [Israel, His namesake, whom He surnamed with His own name] and His own received Him not [but He kept a remnant unto Himself] but as many [Gentiles] as received Him to them gave He Power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name.
John is taking this from the book of Enoch and by revelation of the Holy Spirit, John understands the Messiah who was to come as that Elect Holy Son of Man/Son of God whom Enoch saw.
God has only one living human Son eph3nine and the MAD's haven't got the message yet.
His name is Israel.
In Adam all die in Christ [the Elect Anointed Son of Man whose name is Israel [Isaiah 49] all are made alive -whosoever will.
And He is the Anointed One of Enoch's vision, on whom all the righteous "hang", who was from the beginning Hid in God and concealed ready to be revealed to the elect in the appointed times.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and was God, and the Word became flesh.
He came unto His own [Israel, His namesake, whom He surnamed with His own name] and His own received Him not [but He kept a remnant unto Himself] but as many [Gentiles] as received Him to them gave He Power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name.
John is taking this from the book of Enoch and by revelation of the Holy Spirit, John understands the Messiah who was to come as that Elect Holy Son of Man/Son of God whom Enoch saw.
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A quick look at the book of Romans indicates that he wrote it to Jews as well as Gentiles. Jews have never been considered Gentiles, show some Scripture to back this up, please.
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You need to get out your Old(er) Testament and read where that phrase was used and see what really was in view.
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The Jews were of Israel, but not all of Israel were Jews.
In fact, Paul railed against them and proclaimed them WORST than the nations/gentiles around [as said by the LORD in the OT to them] and of course Jesus did the same with the Jewish Priesthood, which rode off into the sunset never to be seen again.
The LORD wasn't too happy about them much either.
Romans 2:24 forthe Name of God because of You is evil spoken of among the nations, according as it hath been written.
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eph3Nine
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The Messiah was PROPHESIED to "these people" and they rejected Him when He showed up! That is called UNBELIEF in my book, as well as Gods.
Gods SECRET PLAN which was there before the world began but HID in God, took into account the failure of the Jewish NATION to fulfil their obligation to God and the world. They were to believe FIRST and then lead the other nations to God. They refused!
If God DIDNT have a SECRET, a mystery plan already there...you and I would be WITHOUT salvation. "aliens to the commonwealth of Israel" , "Strangers to the covenants", "without God", and "without hope". Ephesians for your reference.
As for the scripture dealing with God making Israel as all the other nations...I gave it to you.
"He concluded them ALL in UNBELIEF so that He could have mercy upon ALL" YOU look it up for the address as Im on my computer that doesnt have a bible program.
The term 'LO AMMI' means just what it says.....NOT MY PEOPLE. God divorced Israel for her unfaithfulness. He was ENTITLED to do so under the rules of espousal/marriage.
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I believe that Paul's audience was primarily Gentile and that his main mission was to the Gentiles. However, whoever heard his message, it made no difference. Those Jews who accepted Christ are justified by grace through faith. Those who reject Him as Savior are just as damned as the Gentiles who do likewise.
The Jews were required to keep the law, and Paul tells us the purpose of the law--it served as a tutor. The law was not the Messiah; it never saved a soul. Even the best of human works were as filthy rags to Him. The O.T. Jews were saved the same way we are, by faith, as Paul points out--
Hebrews 11:7
By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family. By his faith he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that comes by faith.
Abraham had faith in Him, even though Christ had not yet taken on flesh. His faith in Him brought righteousness, just as it does today.
So what would Paul be saying that would not be equally as pertinent to the Jews of his day as it would be to the Gentiles? Not a darn thing that I can see.
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eph3Nine
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Correct. The only issue being that in Gods eyes, the NATION Israel were no longer a favored nation or special status.
Paul spoke to ALL, while the twelve were instructed to go to "none but the JEW". SOMETHING HAPPENED that caused both a change in program and change of leadership, as well as a change in the audience who could receive the message.
Its called the age of GRACE, "the preaching of Jesus Christ ACCORDING TO THE REVELATION OF THE MYSTERY, and the MYSTERY revealed.
Yee haw.
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Who is Israel and who is Judah today?
[Hint: Rich Man and Lazarus of Luke 16 will help reveal that "mystery" ][SIZE=+2]"[/SIZE]Zephaniah 3:15 The LORD hath taken away thy judgments, he hath cast out thine enemy: the King of Israel, [even] the LORD, [is] in the midst of thee: thou shalt not see evil any more.
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eph3Nine
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There IS no Israel/Judah today!
God has temporarily CEASED that program and that special DISTINCTION as well.
There IS no jew or gentile, but ALL one. ALL unbelievers in need of a HEAD so they can be made part of a BODY. God is building a BODY of believers today. Are you not aware of it?
The program CHANGED. Israel in this present dispensation of Grace is just like all other unbelievers....NO distinction!!!!!! She is as a gentile nation in need of salvation like all the rest.
God has temporarily CEASED that program and that special DISTINCTION as well.
There IS no jew or gentile, but ALL one. ALL unbelievers in need of a HEAD so they can be made part of a BODY. God is building a BODY of believers today. Are you not aware of it?
The program CHANGED. Israel in this present dispensation of Grace is just like all other unbelievers....NO distinction!!!!!! She is as a gentile nation in need of salvation like all the rest.
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So when do you see the KOG taken from the Jews? This doesn't look "temporary" to me.unless of course we are not the true "Israel" of God.
You are making a "mystery" out of something that is no longer a "mystery".
http://www.scripture4all.org/
Matthew 21:43 "Therefore I am saying this to ye, that shall be being taken away from Ye the kingdom of the God and it shall be being given to a Nation doing the fruits of it.
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eph3Nine
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The Kingdom of God with reference to the JEWS has been HALTED...INTERUPTED by the MYSTERY program of the age of Grace revealed TO the apostle Paul by Christ RISEN!So when do you see the KOG taken from the Jews? This doesn't look "temporary" to me.unless of course we are not the true "Israel" of God.
You are making a "mystery" out of something that is no longer a "mystery".
http://www.scripture4all.org/
Matthew 21:43 "Therefore I am saying this to ye, that shall be being taken away from Ye the kingdom of the God and it shall be being given to a Nation doing the fruits of it.
It seems apparent that the MYSTERY to which I am alluding is STILL a mystery to YOU...as you think it has to do with the book of Revelation and the prophetic books. NO NO NO>
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Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus
So when do you see the KOG taken from the Jews? This doesn't look "temporary" to me.unless of course we are not the true "Israel" of God.
You are making a "mystery" out of something that is no longer a "mystery".
http://www.scripture4all.org/
Matthew 21:43 "Therefore I am saying this to ye, that shall be being taken away from Ye the kingdom of the God and it shall be being given to a Nation doing the fruits of it.
Well, I did get to trade my "Altar of Burnt Offerings" in for a "Barbecue Grill". Pork ribs never tasted better.
http://www.christianforums.com/t3824930-christian-mujahideen.html
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Dan 2:45 "Inasmuch as you saw that the Stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it broke in pieces the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold ........35............. And the Stone that struck the Image became a Great Mountain [Israel of God] and filled the whole earth.
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eph3Nine
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This isnt funny! This is serious business. Im afraid you think you are in the center of Gods will and you dont even know what it is or where its found. That should concern you....and is NOT the fodder for jokes...truly.Well, I did get to trade my "Altar of Burnt Offerings" in for a "Barbecue Grill". Pork ribs never tasted better.
Dan 2:45 "Inasmuch as you saw that the Stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it broke in pieces the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold ........35............. And the Stone that struck the Image became a Great Mountain [Israel of God] and filled the whole earth.
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