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How Paul Explained It

Paul knew something that no one else knew; not because of anything he had done, but simply because God was pleased to reveal it to him. Paul did not learn it by studying under Peter, James and John. He couldn't learn it from them because they had a different Gospel message than the one God wanted Paul to preach. Paul learned the Grace Gospel directly from God: by special revelation. Paul spent the rest of his life defending his unique knowledge of God's Mystery. Many people, from inside and outside the Body of Christ, opposed Paul's dispensational ministry.

Here are a few examples of how Paul defended his position as Apostle to the Gentiles and the Dispensation of the Mystery: "The Gospel of the Grace of God."


"I want you to know, brothers, that the gospel I preach is not something that man made up. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ. For you have heard of my previous way of life in Judaism, how intensely I persecuted the church of God and tried to destroy it. I was advancing in Judaism beyond many Jews of my own age and was extremely zealous for the traditions of my fathers. But when God, who set me apart from birth and called me by his grace, was pleased to reveal his Son in me so that I might preach him among the Gentiles, I did not consult any man, nor did I go up to Jerusalem to see those who were apostles before I was, but I went immediately in Arabia and later returned to Damascus. Then after three years, I went up to Jerusalem to get acquainted with Peter and stayed with him fifteen days...Fourteen years later I went up again to Jerusalem, this time with Barnabas. I took Titus along also. I went in response to a revelation and set before them the gospel that I preach among the Gentiles. But I did this privately to those who seemed to be leaders, for fear that I was running or had run my race in vain. Yet not even Titus, who was with me, was compelled to be circumcised, even though he was a Greek. This matter arose because some false brothers had infiltrated our ranks to spy on the freedom we have in Christ Jesus and to make us slaves. We did not give in to them for a moment, so that the truth of the gospel might remain with you. As for those who seemed to be important--whatever they were makes no difference to me, God does not judge by external appearance--those men added nothing to my message. On the contrary, they saw that I had been entrusted with the task of preaching the gospel to the Gentiles, just as Peter had been to the Jews. For God, who was at work in the ministry of Peter as an apostle to the Jews, was also at work in my ministry as an apostle to the Gentiles. James, Peter and John, those reputed to be pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me. They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, and they to the Jews. All they asked was that we should continue to remember the poor, the very thing I was eager to do. When Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he was clearly in the wrong. Before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray. When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, 'You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs? We who are Jews by birth and not 'Gentile sinners' know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified." (Galatians 1:11-2:16)

Notice that Paul stood up to Peter, the Chief Apostle of the Dispensation of the Kingdom of God, and accused him of the worst kind of hypocrisy! Paul and Peter were longtime friends. Why would he do that to Peter? Paul was the Chief Apostle of the Gospel of the Grace of God. Peter was being disobedient to what he knew to be God's plan for Gentiles and Jews in the new dispensation. Paul had to step in and make a strong and bold point so that all would know this was wrong. That's why he did it.

Here are some other examples:

"I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I make much of my ministry in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them." (Romans 11:13-14)

"Am I not free? Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord? Are you not the result of my work in the Lord? Even though I may not be an apostle to others, surely I am to you! For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord." (1 Corinthians 9:1-2)

I've heard some people complain that Paul was a boaster when he pointed to his special calling. They miss the point. Cornelius Stam explains it well in his book, "Paul: His Apostleship and Message."

"In defending his apostleship, Paul glorifies, not himself, but the grace of God. While he did--and rightly--magnify his office, this was not to glorify himself, but the grace of God, for God had revealed the riches of His grace, not merely through a message, but through the individual appointed to proclaim that message: the chief of sinners, saved by grace. If the apostleship of Paul (the divinely-chosen vessel to demonstrate that grace) were disproved, so, of course, would be the message he proclaimed. Thus, while defending his apostleship he freely confesses that he himself is nothing."

In I Cor. 15:9 Paul freely acknowledges: "For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet [worthy] to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God." But he adds: "But by the grace of God I am what I am: and His grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain, but I labored more abundantly than they all; yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me" (Ver. 10).

Paul goes even further in Eph. 3:8: "Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ." Thus he writes to the Corinthians in II Cor. 12:11: "...in nothing am I behind the very chiefest apostles, though I be nothing." In I Tim. 1:12-16 he spells this out, as it were: "And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that He counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry; who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy because I did it ignorantly in unbelief. And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which in Christ Jesus. This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might show forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on Him to life everlasting.

How this all harmonizes with his basic claims as to his apostleship: Rom 1:5: "By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for His name."

Eph. 3:6,7: "That the Gentiles should be fellow-heirs, and of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ by the gospel. Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God, given unto me by the effectual working of His power."

("Paul: His Apostleship and Message," Cornelius R. Stam, Berean Bible Society, 7609 W. Belmont Avenue, Chicago, Illinois 60635, 1985)

We make much of The Gospel of the Grace of God and Paul's unique position as Apostle of that message because it is God's will that we do. We take no special pride in proclaiming this message. It is our duty to teach what God has delivered to us. However, we do take pride in Jesus Christ. He is the One Who bled and died for our sins. He is the One Who opened an effectual door for Gentiles and Jews to become members of His Glorious Body. "Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called 'uncircumcised' by those who call themselves 'the circumcision' (that done in the body by the hands of men)--remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ. For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace, and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit. Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God's people and members of God's household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit." (Ephesians 2:11-22)
 

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We make much of The Gospel of the Grace of God and Paul's unique position as Apostle of that message because it is God's will that we do.

We take no special pride in proclaiming this message. It is our duty to teach what God has delivered to us.

However, we do take pride in Jesus Christ. He is the One Who bled and died for our sins. He is the One Who opened an effectual door for Gentiles and Jews to become members of His Glorious Body.

"Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called 'uncircumcised' by those who call themselves 'the circumcision' (that done in the body by the hands of men)--remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world.

But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ. For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations.

His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace, and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility.


He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near.

For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit. Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God's people and members of God's household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit." (Ephesians 2:11-22)
 
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From the deluge of MAD posts you have been making, I'd say you feel threatened in your MAD doctrines [M id-Acts- Dispyism] by the revelation of the facts of Paul's source from which he quotes the revelation of the Hidden Son of Man in these last days -which Paul got the revelation of the very last -of all the Apostles.
Paul preached the Mystery revealed as God manifest in flesh as our "Mercy Seat", "Set Forth" -His body made a public display of, by the Father, as our propitiation, while that body hung on the cross, the altar to which He was bound as our God and our Yeshua =Salvation [as Psalm 118 tells us] when the Father split the vale of separation showing that the final sacrifice was finished that made an end of sin, once, for all -to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile, as all the Law and the Prophets foretold.

from this post;
http://www.christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=27371820&postcount=102

I quote;
Originally Posted by yeshuasavedme
Let's get back to the beginning OP.
The mystery, Christ, was "Hid in God" until His revealing -until His coming in flesh as the Son of Man/Son of God and was "set forth" to be the Mercy Seat of God for the remission of the sins of the whole world -for whosoever will.

In the above post, I showed a bit of Enoch's reporting of his seeing the concealed Son of Man who was kept secret, from the beginning of the world -whose name, BTW, the watchers [sons of God who fell] wanted Michael to make known to them, as it was a secret name -which is why it is reported in the New Testament that 'the angels deisre to look into these things".

That Jesus Christ as the coming Son of Man/ Son of God was the Mystery Hid in God from the beginning of the world is easy to discover by actually searching, instead of believing what unenlightened men say today about a gnostic gospel never known to anyone til Paul got it [UGH!]

All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them: Matthew 13:34
That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world. Matthew 13:35
No, Paul didn;t get a new Gospel, a second Gospel, or a third or a fourth Gospel -but Paul was shown "the Mystery Man" by revelation, as Jesus Christ; YHWH second Person come in '2nd Man flesh'.


Enoch chapter 61;

10 Then shall the kings, the princes, and all who possess the earth, glorify him who has dominion over all things, him who was concealed;
for from the beginning the Son of man existed in secret,

whom the Most High preserved in the presence of his power, and revealed to the elect. [Hid in God]
11 He shall sow the congregation of the saints, and of the elect; and all the elect shall stand before him in that day.
12 All the kings, the princes, the exalted, and those who rule over all the earth, shall fall down on their faces before him, and shall worship him.
13 They shall fix their hopes on this Son of man, shall pray to him, and petition him for mercy.
14 Then shall the Lord of spirits hasten to expel them from his presence. Their faces shall be full of confusion, and their faces shall darkness cover. The angels shall take them to punishment,
that vengeance may be inflicted on those who have oppressed his children and his elect.
And they shall become an example to the saints and to his elect. Through them shall these be made joyful; for the anger of the Lord of spirits shall rest upon them.
15 Then the sword of the Lord of spirits shall be drunk with their blood; but the saints and elect shall be safe in that day; nor the face of the sinners and the ungodly shall they thenceforwards behold.

His name was still "secret" when Manoah asked Him it, when He appeared to him as the "Messenger of YHWH"

Jdg 13:18 And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it [is] secret?

The Secret is out! -The Son of Man, whose name was [and is still] "secret" -the Mystery Man- is Jesus Christ come in flesh of the New Man creation!

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

The "Wonderful" Counsellor of Isaiah 9:6 is the One whose name is "Secret" in Judges 13:18. -both come from the same root word.


Pro 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what [is] his name, and what [is] his son's name, if thou canst tell?

He is God's "Arrow", Who was "Hid in His quiver", ready to be 'shot'.

Isa 49:2 And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished [arrow]shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me;

Hid is
chaba' http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_d...8406-2255.html
and the word is
1) to withdraw, hide
a) (Niphal) to hide oneself [to lie hid]

...


d) (Hophal) to be hidden
...
And He is coming again, as the Arrow who is "YHWH" now made manifest in flesh...;
Zec 9:14 And the LORD shall be seen over them, and his arrow shall go forth as the lightning: and the Lord GOD shall blow the trumpet, and shall go with whirlwinds of the south.

He was Hid in God from the beginning.
Paul taught no gnostic gospel, but the Gospel of the revealed Son of God/Son of Man -who was "Hid in God from the beginning" and is now made manifest -to the Jew first -and also to the Gentile.


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Isaiah, John and Paul tell us that Jesus Christ is the One "Hid in God". in Isaiah 49 He is named as "Israel", the Son of God, who was to come for the Salvation of Jew and Gentile; but that is not all His name -there is still a name which is 'secret' which is His and we don't know.


Enoch chapter 61;

10 Then shall the kings, the princes, and all who possess the earth, glorify him who has dominion over all things, him who was concealed;
for from the beginning the Son of man existed in secret,

whom the Most High preserved in the presence of his power, and revealed to the elect. [Hid in God]

1Jo 1:1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
 
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Sorry, but ENOCH is NOT part of Gods Word. You fight NOT against mid acts dispensationalism, but God HIMSELF....if you dont like what mid acts dispensationalism IS, and it is Biblical if nothing else, then simply go to a yeshua-messianic-jewish board.

In any event, have a great day.:)
 
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That Jesus Christ as the coming Son of Man/ Son of God was the Mystery Hid in God from the beginning of the world is easy to discover by actually searching, instead of believing what unenlightened men say today about a gnostic gospel never known to anyone til Paul got it [UGH!]
Sorry, but ENOCH is NOT part of Gods Word. You fight NOT against mid acts dispensationalism, but God HIMSELF....if you dont like what mid acts dispensationalism IS, and it is Biblical if nothing else, then simply go to a yeshua-messianic-jewish board.

In any event, have a great day.:)
Messianics are definately a religion of themselves but they view the Messiah coming back and reigning in Jerusalem for a 1000yr and will reinstate the Law I think. Too confusing for me.

You see, if an Orthordox Jew converts to Christianity, they are told by some that they must keep the Law until "Heaven and Earth" pass away.

The problem is what is the "Heaven and Earth" of Isaiah 65 and Revelation 21?

Anyway, have you ever pondered on this passage in revelation. :wave:

Galatians 5:3 and I testify again to every man circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole Law;
Revelation 3:16 So--because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I am about to vomit thee out of my mouth;
 
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Sorry, but ENOCH is NOT part of Gods Word. You fight NOT against mid acts dispensationalism, but God HIMSELF....if you dont like what mid acts dispensationalism IS, and it is Biblical if nothing else, then simply go to a yeshua-messianic-jewish board.

In any event, have a great day.:)
To say Enoch is not part of God's word is to deny the embedded doctrine of the Son of Man and the redemption through His Name which is embedded throughout the entire accepted Canon, for from it the doctrines taught have their roots, as Enoch was God's first [known to us] scribe.

I am redeemed by the blood of the Lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world, and He made Himself known to me, personally, in about as dramatic a way as He did make Himself known to Paul, for I was a hard headed stubborn rebel headed for hell, but my sister was given the burden to pray and intercede for my soul so hard that she thought she'd physically die if God did not take the burden from her.

He came to me powerfully in my own living room one morning and gave me one last ultimatum to yield myself unto Him from that day forward or else He would "cut me off". -and he reminded me that I had "called upon Him time after time and He had answered me"; yet "I had cut Him off" and He made me know with such an accompanying fear of God that "Today" if I did not yield myself unto Him from that day forward, "He would cut me off".
Funny thing, but I was convinced -just as Paul was- and with the fear of actually being cut off, which I had never had before when I had cut Him off to go my own way, and I immediately called upon the name of the LORD and He saved me.
That was thirty seven years ago next month, and my walk with Him has been more and more one of walking a lighted path as we go along together...

But I had been raised at least in part under the preaching of an anointed man of God in a little fundamental Baptist Church in KY -but I didn't know it was 'fundamental' until after I was long gone and long saved and found out about that little Church of my childhood.
I did not come from a Christian family, though we were 'christianized' -sort of so-so-ishly so but I was under the influence of that man of God who shone so when he preached the Word that I was always fascinated with the shine and thought it must be his bald head [when I was 10].

There are not many men who preach the Word of God under the anointing of the Holy Spirit in our American culture these days, but in my childhood in KY, very few of the preachers in the little churches scattered about the area would dare stand before the congregation without a word from the LORD to give, under His anointing.
That is such a foreign way to think about "Church Meeting" to so many who call themselves Christian these days that I am amazed
 
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Messianics are definately a religion of themselves but they view the Messiah coming back and reigning in Jerusalem for a 1000yr and will reinstate the Law I think. Too confusing for me.

You see, if an Orthordox Jew converts to Christianity, they are told by some that they must keep the Law until "Heaven and Earth" pass away.

The problem is what is the "Heaven and Earth" of Isaiah 65 and Revelation 21?

Anyway, have you ever pondered on this passage in revelation. :wave:

Galatians 5:3 and I testify again to every man circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole Law;
But you must realize that Paul says no man was ever saved by the Law; and that Paul says if one is called in circumcision to not become uncircumcized and if called in uncircumcision to not be circumcised; but yet Paul went and circumcised Timothy, a Believer in Christ with a Jewish parent, -because of the Jews. -H-M-M.
Yet Timothy was not saved "by circumcision"...

There is a dividing of Scripture that must be done, which dividing means to 'lay Scripture side by side for comparison".
Act 16:1¶Then came he to Derbe and Lystra: and, behold, a certain disciple was there, named Timotheus, the son of a certain woman, which was a Jewess, and believed; but his father [was] a Greek:
Act 16:3 Him would Paul have to go forth with him; and took and circumcised him because of the Jews which were in those quarters: for they knew all that his father was a Greek.

1 Corinthians 7:
Live as You Are Called
17 But as God has distributed to each one, as the Lord has called each one, so let him walk. And so I ordain in all the churches.
18 Was anyone called while circumcised? Let him not become uncircumcised. Was anyone called while uncircumcised? Let him not be circumcised.
19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

20 Let each one remain in the same calling in which he was called.
Jews and Gentiles are the audience to whom Paul is speaking, above.


21 Were you called while a slave? Do not be concerned about it; but if you can be made free, rather use it.
22 For he who is called in the Lord while a slave is the Lord's freedman. Likewise he who is called while free is Christ's slave.
23 You were bought at a price; do not become slaves of men.
24 Brethren, let each one remain with God in that state in which he was called.
 
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Peter had information no one else had
Come on now Jerry...Peter was given a commission to tell to the JEW ALONE. He was told to go to ONLY THE JEW with it. He didnt HAVE information pertaining to the Body of Christ as there WAS NONE IN HIS PROGRAM.
 
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John had information no one else had
Jerry Jerry....John had information pertaining to the KINGDOM SAINTS...ie: those who were JEWISH and under the KINGDOM PROGRAM. He was a minister to the CIRCUMCISION...He was not party to the MYSTERY information given to Paul but a believer in the salvation message available to the JEW.
 
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Come on now Jerry...Peter was given a commission to tell to the JEW ALONE. He was told to go to ONLY THE JEW with it. He didnt HAVE information pertaining to the Body of Christ as there WAS NONE IN HIS PROGRAM.
Peter was one of the eleven disciples whom Matthew -who was there and reports this for us- says Jesus spoke these words to [Judas was un-elected and his name blotted out of the book of life, as pr. Scripture, when satan entered him the night of the Passover supper]:
Mat 28:16Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Go ye therefore, and teach all "GENTILES", baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen.
nations is "ethnos" http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/1/1159286907-4830.html
1) a multitude (whether of men or of beasts) associated or living together
a) a company, troop, swarm
2) a multitude of individuals of the same nature or genus
a) the human family
3) a tribe, nation, people group
4) in the OT, foreign nations not worshipping the true God, pagans, Gentiles
5) Paul uses the term for Gentile Christians
AV - Gentiles 93, nation 64, heathen 5, people 2; 164

The world has not ended, as generation after generation arises and needs to know -if the fathers do not teach their children, in rebellion, then the generation following comes along who is in total darkness and the Great commission continues until the end of this age; which end comes only when Jesus Christ removes all the wicked seed and everything that offends from this earth at His return as Son of Man to reign in His glory from Jerusalem for the thousand years of Sabbath Peace. The Gospel has gone forth over the whole earth from the first century, but the generations arise, one after the other, who still need to know as the wicked who rebel suppress the truth and fight against it in every generation.

Peter went to the Gentiles first, being made to understand that God had cleansed the nations when the Macedonian's came by God's revelation to the house where he was dwelling to ask him to come, by revelation, to tell them the Way -and that was before Paul went -and then Paul always went to the Jew first. In every city in which he went to preach the kingdom of God Paul went first to the Jews, lastly to the Gentiles, as his pattern.

That's what I read in my Bible, but then, I believe what Paul said when he wrote Timothy -the born again Believer whom he circumcised:BTW), and said;
2Ti 3:16
All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:2Ti 3:17
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
 
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Jerry Jerry....John had information pertaining to the KINGDOM SAINTS...ie: those who were JEWISH and under the KINGDOM PROGRAM. He was a minister to the CIRCUMCISION...He was not party to the MYSTERY information given to Paul but a believer in the salvation message available to the JEW.
Peter saw the "Mystery Revealed that was Hid in God from the beginning ready to be made manifest in the appointed times" before Paul did.

Peter Confesses Jesus as the Christ
(Mark 8:27-30; Luke 9:18-20)
13 When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, "Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?"
14 So they said, "Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets."
15 He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?"
16 Simon Peter answered and said, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."
17 Jesus answered and said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. 18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock [the Rock of Peter's confession, The Stone Laid in Zion as the Chief Foundation Stone] I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give you [the Church has been given the revelation of the Entry Door, the Gate, Jesus Christ as New Man Mercy Seat] the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth *will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."
20 Then He commanded His disciples that they should tell no one that He was Jesus the Christ.

His disciples who were there had the revelation of Him as the Anointed One [the Messiah whom Enoch saw] the Son of Man/Son of God, who was Hid in God ready to be revealed to the elect in the appointed times.


 
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Peter did NOT have the mystery truths. They were "hid in God" until revealed to Paul. Peter had a different message, with different information for a different audience.

Paul was given NEW information, never before revealed, and the scripture SAYS SO.
 
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Originally Posted by eph3Nine
Peter did NOT have the mystery truths. They were "hid in God" until revealed to Paul. Peter had a different message, with different information for a different audience.
Peter had this information:
1 Peter 4:7 But the End [ teloV] of ALL things is nigh at hand; therefore be sober-minded and watchful in your prayers.
Originally Posted by eph3Nine
Peter did NOT have the mystery truths. They were "hid in God" until revealed to Paul. Peter had a different message, with different information for a different audience.[/I]

Paul was given NEW information, never before revealed, and the scripture SAYS SO.
Did Paul have access to Revelation also and thus revelation was known before the destruction of the OC Jewish Nation/Priesthood as prophecied? [So was Enoch for that matter]

Otherwise how could he say this:

2 Timothy 4:1 I charge [you] therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will Judge the living and the dead at His appearing[#2015] and His kingdom:..... 8 Finally, there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give to me on that Day, and not to me only but also to all who have loved His appearing/brightness[#2015].
Reve:11 And I saw the heaven having been opened, and lo, a white horse, and He who is sitting upon it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness doth he Judge and war, 12 and his eyes [are] as a flame of fire, and upon his head [are] many diadems--:thumbsup:
 
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Revelation is a book written TO and ABOUT the nation Israel in Ages to COME...AFTER we, who are the Church, the Body of Christ are gone to be with OUR Lord in the air.

Im so sorry that you seem to be so misinformed. Study is what will clear all these things up for you. Rightly dividing the Word of truth.
 
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