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Paul Craig Roberts: Sanctions May Lead To War
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<blockquote data-quote="JackofSpades" data-source="post: 66845078" data-attributes="member: 352705"><p>Well, this is useless to argue because we have different view about who is the bad guy in the situation. If we agreed on that, it would be much easier to agree on what kind of consequences are acceptable.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I would be more likely to buy into that if there was no pattern of similar Russian agression first in Chechnya, then Georgia and now in Ukraine. It just keeps happening that Russia finds always new areas to "protect". Also, there are no EU or NATO troops fighting in Ukrainan soil. But there are Russian troops and they for sure haven't came there by request of legal government of the country.</p><p></p><p>I have no illusions about Western nations being totally innocent. But it appears that pro-western policy has large popular support in Ukraine and whether Ukraine wants to be friends with west or Russia should be left for people of Ukraine to decide. Presence of Russian troops in their country isn't excactly serving that purpose.</p><p></p><p>If there starts to appear proof that there are Europeans or Americans (not individual volunteers, but troops sent by someone) fighting secretly in Ukraine, I'm open to change my mind.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JackofSpades, post: 66845078, member: 352705"] Well, this is useless to argue because we have different view about who is the bad guy in the situation. If we agreed on that, it would be much easier to agree on what kind of consequences are acceptable. I would be more likely to buy into that if there was no pattern of similar Russian agression first in Chechnya, then Georgia and now in Ukraine. It just keeps happening that Russia finds always new areas to "protect". Also, there are no EU or NATO troops fighting in Ukrainan soil. But there are Russian troops and they for sure haven't came there by request of legal government of the country. I have no illusions about Western nations being totally innocent. But it appears that pro-western policy has large popular support in Ukraine and whether Ukraine wants to be friends with west or Russia should be left for people of Ukraine to decide. Presence of Russian troops in their country isn't excactly serving that purpose. If there starts to appear proof that there are Europeans or Americans (not individual volunteers, but troops sent by someone) fighting secretly in Ukraine, I'm open to change my mind. [/QUOTE]
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