Paul and Barnabas?

[WAB]

Barnabas’ original name was Joses (or Joseph), and was surnamed Barnabas by the Apostles in Jerusalem. (ref. Acts 4:36,37) And verse 36 tells us that he was “…a Levite (i.e. a Jew) of the country of Cyprus,” He was one of the original believers in the church at Jerusalem.
Acts 9:26,27 tells us that Barnabas took the feared Saul to the Apostles.

Acts 11:19-26.… tells us that Barnabas was sent by the Jerusalem church to Antioch of Syria. There he exhorted the new believers, and then went to Tarsus and got Saul to return with him to the church at Antioch, and… “…a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught many people. And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.”

Acts 13:1-5... “Now in the church that was at Antioch there were certain prophets and teachers: Barnabas, Simeon who was called Niger (black), Lucius of Cyrene, Manaen who had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul. As they ministered to the Lord and fasted, the Holy Spirit said, ‘Now separate to Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.’ Then, having fasted and prayed, and laid hands on them, they sent them away. So, being sent out by the Holy Spirit, they went down to Seleucia, and from there they sailed to Cyprus. And when they arrived in Salamis, they preached the word of God in the synagogues of the Jews. They also had John (Mark) as their assistant.”

This became known as Paul’s 1st missionary journey, and Saul (which means: “destroyer&#8221 became known as Paul, (which means: “worker&#8221.

After the Jews of Antioch of Pisidia had rejected Paul’s message (Acts 13:13-46), Paul and Barnabas told the Jews “…we turn to the Gentiles.” Much has been made of these words to formulate a doctrine that Paul gave up on the Jews, and was only the Apostle to the Gentiles from then on.

BUT… Acts 14:1...
“Now it happened in Iconium that they (Paul and Barnabas) went together to the synagogue of the Jews, and so spoke that a great multitude both of the Jews and of the Greeks (Gentiles) believed.”

Don’t you think it rather strange that the next place Barnabas and Paul preached was in the synagogue if they had given up on the Jews? Then in verses 26,27, we are told that Paul and Barnabas ended the 1st missionary journey back at the church in Syrian Antioch.

Question: To which church did Barnabas belong? The so-called Pentecost/Apostolic church or the Body Church? Or both?

It is certainly clear that Barnabas preached the same gospel that Paul preached, or Paul would not have associated himself with him. It is equally clear that Barnabas, along with the other Apostles and Silas, who accompanied Paul on his 2nd missionary journey (and was also a Jew from the Jerusalem church), were in full agreement with the gospel that Paul preached. Why? Because there was no difference in their messages. There was, and is, only one legitimate gospel, the virgin birth, sinless life, substitutionary death, and the resurrection of Y’shua, the Lord of Life.
Written by: WAB

 

[RodJones]

Barnabas’ original name was Joses (or Joseph), and was surnamed Barnabas by the Apostles in Jerusalem. (ref. Acts 4:36,37) And verse 36 tells us that he was “…a Levite (i.e. a Jew) of the country of Cyprus,” He was one of the original believers in the church at Jerusalem.
Acts 9:26,27 tells us that Barnabas took the feared Saul to the Apostles.

Acts 11:19-26.… tells us that Barnabas was sent by the Jerusalem church to Antioch of Syria. There he exhorted the new believers, and then went to Tarsus and got Saul to return with him to the church at Antioch, and… “…a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught many people. And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.”

Acts 13:1-5... “Now in the church that was at Antioch there were certain prophets and teachers: Barnabas, Simeon who was called Niger (black), Lucius of Cyrene, Manaen who had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul. As they ministered to the Lord and fasted, the Holy Spirit said, ‘Now separate to Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.’ Then, having fasted and prayed, and laid hands on them, they sent them away. So, being sent out by the Holy Spirit, they went down to Seleucia, and from there they sailed to Cyprus. And when they arrived in Salamis, they preached the word of God in the synagogues of the Jews. They also had John (Mark) as their assistant.”

This became known as Paul’s 1st missionary journey, and Saul (which means: “destroyer&#8221 became known as Paul, (which means: “worker&#8221.

After the Jews of Antioch of Pisidia had rejected Paul’s message (Acts 13:13-46), Paul and Barnabas told the Jews “…we turn to the Gentiles.” Much has been made of these words to formulate a doctrine that Paul gave up on the Jews, and was only the Apostle to the Gentiles from then on.

BUT… Acts 14:1...
“Now it happened in Iconium that they (Paul and Barnabas) went together to the synagogue of the Jews, and so spoke that a great multitude both of the Jews and of the Greeks (Gentiles) believed.”

Don’t you think it rather strange that the next place Barnabas and Paul preached was in the synagogue if they had given up on the Jews? Then in verses 26,27, we are told that Paul and Barnabas ended the 1st missionary journey back at the church in Syrian Antioch.

Question: To which church did Barnabas belong? The so-called Pentecost/Apostolic church or the Body Church? Or both?

It is certainly clear that Barnabas preached the same gospel that Paul preached, or Paul would not have associated himself with him. It is equally clear that Barnabas, along with the other Apostles and Silas, who accompanied Paul on his 2nd missionary journey (and was also a Jew from the Jerusalem church), were in full agreement with the gospel that Paul preached. Why? Because there was no difference in their messages. There was, and is, only one legitimate gospel, the virgin birth, sinless life, substitutionary death, and the resurrection of Y’shua, the Lord of Life.
Written by: WAB

WAB, Saul (Paul), was to go to the Jew first, preaching that Jesus was the son of God, so how could he go into a synagogue preaching with someone other than a Jew, in Paul's early ministry he had to preach to the Jew first, but notice later in his ministry, he has Timothy, Titus, Luke, and other gentile disciples added to his ministry, Paul and Peter DID NOT preach the same message!!

 

[WAB]

WAB, Saul (Paul), was to go to the Jew first, preaching that Jesus was the son of God, so how could he go into a synagogue preaching with someone other than a Jew, in Paul's early ministry he had to preach to the Jew first, but notice later in his ministry, he has Timothy, Titus, Luke, and other gentile disciples added to his ministry, Paul and Peter DID NOT preach the same message!!

As already mentioned elsewhere, there is no question that Paul ministered primarily to Gentiles. However, that was after he had agreed with the Apostles , elders, and other believers in the Jerusalem church, that he would minister to the Gentiles.

To think/declare that Peter and Paul agreed to support each other in the preaching of contradictory gospels is mind boggling.

To think that it was only during Paul's "early ministry" that it was legitimate for him to preach the true Gospel to Jews, but then after a bit to completely reverse his love for his fellow Jews and declare that Peter's gospel was not legitimate not only contradicts the Word of God, but fosters an anti-Jew position among Christians.

 

[eph3Nine]

WAB, Saul (Paul), was to go to the Jew first, preaching that Jesus was the son of God, so how could he go into a synagogue preaching with someone other than a Jew, in Paul's early ministry he had to preach to the Jew first, but notice later in his ministry, he has Timothy, Titus, Luke, and other gentile disciples added to his ministry, Paul and Peter DID NOT preach the same message!!

Amen rod...they certainly didnt. Anyone saying they did, simply isnt reading the same bible...LOL

 

[heymikey80]

WAB, Saul (Paul), was to go to the Jew first, preaching that Jesus was the son of God, so how could he go into a synagogue preaching with someone other than a Jew, in Paul's early ministry he had to preach to the Jew first, but notice later in his ministry, he has Timothy, Titus, Luke, and other gentile disciples added to his ministry, Paul and Peter DID NOT preach the same message!!

Eh, according to Paul they're the same gospel:

"I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, .... Therefore, whether it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed." 1 Cor 15:1,11

"He who formerly persecuted us now preaches the faith which he once tried to destroy" Gal 1:23

 

[WAB]

Eh, according to Paul they're the same gospel:

"I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, .... Therefore, whether it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed." 1 Cor 15:1,11

"He who formerly persecuted us now preaches the faith which he once tried to destroy" Gal 1:23

Always great to correct error with what Paul wrote!

 

[eph3Nine]

Eh, according to Paul they're the same gospel:

"I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, .... Therefore, whether it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed." 1 Cor 15:1,11

"He who formerly persecuted us now preaches the faith which he once tried to destroy" Gal 1:23

PAUL knows its not the same gospel....it is only YOU who cant see it, with all due respect.

Paul declares something NEW. Its not the gospel of the KINGDOM, but the gospel of GRACE. ONE has to do with law, one with GRACE.

 

[WAB]

PAUL knows its not the same gospel....it is only YOU who cant see it, with all due respect.

Paul declares something NEW. Its not the gospel of the KINGDOM, but the gospel of GRACE. ONE has to do with law, one with GRACE.

Just what part of the very clear Scriptures heym posted are you contradicting?

Please, since you declare your superior understanding of the mysteries, just clearly show the mysterious aspect of said Scriptures!

 

[eph3Nine]

Well rod, "to those who wish to remain ignorant, let them be ignorant" is what MY bible says.

Cheers and thanks for standing for the truth when all those around you are swimmingly content with another gospel and another jesus.

 

[eph3Nine]

Well rod, "to those who wish to remain ignorant, let them be ignorant" is what MY bible says.

Cheers and thanks for standing for the truth when all those around you are swimmingly content with another gospel and another jesus.

 

[WAB]

Well rod, "to those who wish to remain ignorant, let them be ignorant" is what MY bible says.

Cheers and thanks for standing for the truth when all those around you are swimmingly content with another gospel and another jesus.

Rather than provide a legitimate answer to the challenge, once again you "bump" your own name and praise someone who was proven completely in error re the Scriptures.

Don't think Paul would approve; in fact I know he wouldn't.

 

[RodJones]

Well rod, "to those who wish to remain ignorant, let them be ignorant" is what MY bible says.

Cheers and thanks for standing for the truth when all those around you are swimmingly content with another gospel and another jesus.

eph3NINE, thank you for your fight as a good soldier of Jesus Christ, yeah you are right, some people will never see the truth of the gospel, because they are "wise in their own conciets", and most are ignorant of thier ignorance, but as God says through the apostle Paul "But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost" 2Cor.4:3.

 

[RodJones]

Eh, according to Paul they're the same gospel:

"I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, .... Therefore, whether it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed." 1 Cor 15:1,11

"He who formerly persecuted us now preaches the faith which he once tried to destroy" Gal 1:23

First of all you should not chop up the verses, and then add part of one verse with another verse to make the verse say what you want it to say. When Paul says "whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so you believed", Paul is not saying that they preached the same gospel at all. When Paul starts the 15 chapter he explains the gospel of "our" salvation, then he explains how that God had given Paul grace and apostleship, but notice how Paul says that he "persecuted the church of God". Peter and the 11 were preaching "the gospel of the kingdom" Matt.24:14, Paul was preaching "the gospel of the grace of God" Acts20:24, see what Paul is saying is that both he and peter preached the resurrection of Christ, Peter preaching to the Jews in line with the fullfilment of the pomise of the fathers. Paul preached Christ to a "new creation", the "one NEW man". And when Paul say that he "preaches the faith that he once destroyed", he is saying how he persecuted the church of God, meaning he was persecuting the "ministry of the Holy spirit", at that time the ministry of the Holy Spirit had the Church in Jerusalem preach the "gospel of the kingdom" to Israel, Later the Holy Spirit "separates", Paul and Barnabas for the ministry

 

[heymikey80]

First of all you should not chop up the verses, and then add part of one verse with another verse to make the verse say what you want it to say. When Paul says "whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so you believed", Paul is not saying that they preached the same gospel at all.

You're telling me I'm chopping up sentences that're ten verses away from one another -- within which there is a recounting of the Resurrection of Christ:

"I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: [The Gospel -- Christ's Resurrection witnessed by the disciples]. Therefore, whether it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed."
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Then you graft together verses that four different people wrote? Why is it I should listen to advice you won't heed yourself?

When Paul starts the 15 chapter he explains the gospel of "our" salvation, then he explains how that God had given Paul grace and apostleship, but notice how Paul says that he "persecuted the church of God". Peter and the 11 were preaching "the gospel of the kingdom" Matt.24:14, Paul was preaching "the gospel of the grace of God" Acts20:24, see what Paul is saying is that both he and peter preached the resurrection of Christ, Peter preaching to the Jews in line with the fullfilment of the pomise of the fathers. Paul preached Christ to a "new creation", the "one NEW man". And when Paul say that he "preaches the faith that he once destroyed", he is saying how he persecuted the church of God, meaning he was persecuting the "ministry of the Holy spirit", at that time the ministry of the Holy Spirit had the Church in Jerusalem preach the "gospel of the kingdom" to Israel, Later the Holy Spirit "separates", Paul and Barnabas for the ministry

If that were a chop test, well, my sentences are closer together than yours are. Your accounting is choppier than mine is. And I don't see a reason to chop up so many "gospel"s.

Did you notice how Paul said he only preached the Gospel to the Corinthians? Not the gospels -- the Gospel. And he preached it in common with the other witnesses: "Therefore, whether it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed."

How many times does Paul use the word "gospels", in the plural? How many places does Paul say he preaches many "gospels"?

Paul said what he said, and he said it in one context. It's not chopped up. It's put together. It's there to read.

 

[RodJones]

As already mentioned elsewhere, there is no question that Paul ministered primarily to Gentiles. However, that was after he had agreed with the Apostles , elders, and other believers in the Jerusalem church, that he would minister to the Gentiles.

To think/declare that Peter and Paul agreed to support each other in the preaching of contradictory gospels is mind boggling.

To think that it was only during Paul's "early ministry" that it was legitimate for him to preach the true Gospel to Jews, but then after a bit to completely reverse his love for his fellow Jews and declare that Peter's gospel was not legitimate not only contradicts the Word of God, but fosters an anti-Jew position among Christians.

WAB, it is plain to see that it was part of Paul's ministry to go to the Jew first "It was necessary that the word of God should FIRST HAVE BEEN SPOKEN TO YOU" ACTS 13:46, and later in his ministry the Lord says to Paul "Depart; for I will send thee far hence unto the Gentiles" ACTS 22:21.

 

[RodJones]

You're telling me I'm chopping up sentences that're ten verses away from one another -- within which there is a recounting of the Resurrection of Christ:

"I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: [The Gospel -- Christ's Resurrection witnessed by the disciples]. Therefore, whether it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed."
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Then you graft together verses that four different people wrote? Why is it I should listen to advice you won't heed yourself?

If that were a chop test, well, my sentences are closer together than yours are. Your accounting is choppier than mine is. And I don't see a reason to chop up so many "gospel"s.

Did you notice how Paul said he only preached the Gospel to the Corinthians? Not the gospels -- the Gospel. And he preached it in common with the other witnesses: "Therefore, whether it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed."

How many times does Paul use the word "gospels", in the plural? How many places does Paul say he preaches many "gospels"?

Paul said what he said, and he said it in one context. It's not chopped up. It's put together. It's there to read.

When one takes the begining of one verse, and then just takes a few words and glues them together with another verse, just to make it say what they want it to, you tell me what do you call that?. Again and over again, it seems like people want to remain ignorant!, the word gospel means "good news" right?, you tell me if Israel's "good news" is the same as our "good news". Israel was told that thier sins will be blotted out "WHEN THE TIMES OF REFRESHING SHALL COME FROM THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD" ACTS 3:19, Paul preaches that we "ARE SAVED" Eph.2:8, and our "SINS ARE PAST" Rom.3:25, and Peter agreed that he would preach "THE GOSPEL OF THE CIRCUMCISION", and Paul would go and preach "THE GOSPEL OF THE UNCIRCUMCISION". See the Bible is not hard to understand if you rightly divide, God's plan and purpose with us ( a heavenly one), and God's plan and purpose with Israel ( a earthly one). "In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to MY GOSPEL" Rom.2:16, Paul does not say THE GOSPEL, or OUR GOSPEL, when Paul say thoughout his epistles "MY GOSPEL", he is talking about the "good news" that was kept "secret since the world began"Rom.16:25, but Peter's "good news" was PREACHED "SINCE THE WORLD BEGAN" ACTS 3:21, do you see the difference?.

 

[christgurl]

Barnabas’ original name was Joses (or Joseph), and was surnamed Barnabas by the Apostles in Jerusalem. (ref. Acts 4:36,37) And verse 36 tells us that he was “…a Levite (i.e. a Jew) of the country of Cyprus,” He was one of the original believers in the church at Jerusalem.
Acts 9:26,27 tells us that Barnabas took the feared Saul to the Apostles.

Acts 11:19-26.… tells us that Barnabas was sent by the Jerusalem church to Antioch of Syria. There he exhorted the new believers, and then went to Tarsus and got Saul to return with him to the church at Antioch, and… “…a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught many people. And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.”

Acts 13:1-5... “Now in the church that was at Antioch there were certain prophets and teachers: Barnabas, Simeon who was called Niger (black), Lucius of Cyrene, Manaen who had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul. As they ministered to the Lord and fasted, the Holy Spirit said, ‘Now separate to Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.’ Then, having fasted and prayed, and laid hands on them, they sent them away. So, being sent out by the Holy Spirit, they went down to Seleucia, and from there they sailed to Cyprus. And when they arrived in Salamis, they preached the word of God in the synagogues of the Jews. They also had John (Mark) as their assistant.”

This became known as Paul’s 1st missionary journey, and Saul (which means: “destroyer&#8221 became known as Paul, (which means: “worker&#8221.

After the Jews of Antioch of Pisidia had rejected Paul’s message (Acts 13:13-46), Paul and Barnabas told the Jews “…we turn to the Gentiles.” Much has been made of these words to formulate a doctrine that Paul gave up on the Jews, and was only the Apostle to the Gentiles from then on.

BUT… Acts 14:1...
“Now it happened in Iconium that they (Paul and Barnabas) went together to the synagogue of the Jews, and so spoke that a great multitude both of the Jews and of the Greeks (Gentiles) believed.”

Don’t you think it rather strange that the next place Barnabas and Paul preached was in the synagogue if they had given up on the Jews? Then in verses 26,27, we are told that Paul and Barnabas ended the 1st missionary journey back at the church in Syrian Antioch.

Question: To which church did Barnabas belong? The so-called Pentecost/Apostolic church or the Body Church? Or both?

It is certainly clear that Barnabas preached the same gospel that Paul preached, or Paul would not have associated himself with him. It is equally clear that Barnabas, along with the other Apostles and Silas, who accompanied Paul on his 2nd missionary journey (and was also a Jew from the Jerusalem church), were in full agreement with the gospel that Paul preached. Why? Because there was no difference in their messages. There was, and is, only one legitimate gospel, the virgin birth, sinless life, substitutionary death, and the resurrection of Y’shua, the Lord of Life.
Written by: WAB

That's true, I am currently reading all about Paul and Barnabas, and I have to say that I admire their faith, they healed people in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and they converted a lot of people, even when they knew that they would be persecuted for being Jesus's followers. I think that a lot of people should follow their example because anyone can turn to God, but only if they can truly believe.