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Patient and Tolerant?

gmm4j

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2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

Why would God have to be patient with the elect when, according to Calvinism, their regeneration is solely dependent upon Him? He should not have to be patient with "you" because He is the One who determines when men repent. He certainly does not have to be patient with Himself. However, the text plainly states that He is patient with them.

Another instance where God is patient with men is found in Romans 2:4-6

Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness leads you toward repentance? 5 But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God's wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed.

It seems the answer to Paul’s question in Romans 2:4 from a Reformed perspective should be something like, “Of course I show contempt for the riches of His kindness, tolerance and patience. I cannot do otherwise until He regenerates me. It is not God being patient toward me, instead, I have to be patient toward God until He effectively calls me, or not, according to His pleasure

So again, why is God “patient and tolerant with/toward us” when He determines our repentance, and is pleased, in His appointed and accepted time effectually to call the elect?
 

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singlecandle;"Charity suffereth long said:
God obviously will not be acting that way towards those who he has preselected for damnation. Then that would be mockery of a very cruel kind, or mere playacting, if it is exclusive to the chosen.

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"Charity suffereth long, and is kind..."
-I Cor. 13:4

Is not patience and love a mark of God's love
especially in the elect's case either before they
repent or after?


Just as love and kindness have an object so does patience. When God is patient with or toward someone, He is suffering long (waiting) for them, which suggests synergy. If I monergistically dictated when you would come to faith, then I would never have to be patient with you about coming to faith because the timing was completely up to me. However, if coming to faith were synergistic, then you would have a part to play in bowing your will or resisting my kindnesses that are influencing (leading) you toward repentance, and then it would be proper to state that I am patient toward you.

Rom 2:3-4
Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness leads you toward repentance
?

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance
.

1 Peter 3:20-21
who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water
,

God was patient while Noah built the ark because Noah was synergistically involved.
 
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Could it be that Peter is referring to Christians being upset
as to why the Lord's coming is so slow?
Perhaps this "patience" is God's tarrying until
the fullness of the Gentiles and Jews is complete?

I think that is what the passage, read altogether, means.

"While I have prayed, 'Come quickly,' I have often felt
in­clined to contradict myself and cry, "Yet tarry for a while,
good Lord. Let mercy's day be length­ened. Let the heathen yet
receive the Savior." We may desire the coming of the Lord,
but we ought also to be in sympathy with the tarrying of the
Most High, to which his loving heart inclines him." (C H Spurgeon)
 
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gmm4j

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Perhaps this "patience" is God's tarrying until the fullness of the Gentiles and Jews is complete?

I think that is what the passage, read altogether, means.

I agree with what you have said above.

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance
.

But again, if it were solely a monergistic work, then He would not be patient with "you" / us. We are not involved in a monergistic work. Being patient with us suggests synergism in seeing the fullness of the Gentiles and Jews being made complete.
 
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But again, if it were solely a monergistic work, then He would not be patient with "you" / us. We are not involved in a monergistic work. Being patient with us suggests synergism in seeing the fullness of the Gentiles and Jews being made complete
This is quite humorous. Who determines the "fullness"? The Gentiles and the Jews of the ... "elect" number.

Illogical conclusion. He is patient until all of His called are in the faith. He is patient and tarries until then. Read the context, he's speaking of the believers (1 person plural/ 2nd person plural) when He speaks of the reprobate (always) biblical authors always use 3rd person "they, them", speaking of end times, WE must wait and persevere because God is patient until His NUMBER is fulfilled.
 
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Sola,
The semantic domain is under persevering, or enduring. It begs the question, should He be "impatient"? He is patient as far as He does not fulfill His plan in a day. It's been thousands of years and He is still working out salvation. His number of His elect is great! And He will maybe even wait another thousand years... who knows? He is patient in His plan....
 
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