Path to cititzenship

[dogs4thewin]

What type of if any path of cititzenship should be offered to those people here illegally IF that is their only crime?

 

[Fantine]

Thank you for introducing such a positive topic.
I think that the principles established during the Reagan amnesty of 1986 would be a good jumping off point.
I say this because I assume most of the older immigrants I know, although they are now citizens, were probably granted citizenship under this amnesty and have gone on to lead fulfilling, productive lives and be credits to their communities.

Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[dogs4thewin]

Thank you for introducing such a positive topic.
I think that the principles established during the Reagan amnesty of 1986 would be a good jumping off point.
I say this because I assume most of the older immigrants I know, although they are now citizens, were probably granted citizenship under this amnesty and have gone on to lead fulfilling, productive lives and be credits to their communities.

Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

yeah, there are too many of them here at tis point to deport we simply have neither the resources nor the money to do so, but any such program should come with providisions to tighten the border.

 

[Always in His Presence]

I agree 100% with Hillary Clinton

https://x.com/america/status/1862869854350389510?lang=en&mx=2

 

[dogs4thewin]

I agree 100% with Hillary Clinton

https://x.com/america/status/1862869854350389510?lang=en&mx=2

How would "line" work at that point? Moreover, as it relates to crimes there are infractions (these would be your run of the mill things mild speeding, running a stop light/sign and fairly petti misdemeanors talking here about driving crimes ( not like DUI but crimes that must be caught on a secondary basis such as driving without a driver's license and then there are crimes that are NOT secondary in nature. Also what about committing a crime for which the person either was not caught and/or was not convicted. I agree with you, but at the same time if we do not have a certain amount of gray area we are STILL left with some of the same issues. As it releates to learning English I certainly agree, however there is a pretty good chance that people for whom this would apply alreay have begun that process anyway, so while that should be a requirement many of them have already begun working on that.

 

[Always in His Presence]

How would "line" work at that point? Moreover, as it relates to crimes there are infractions (these would be your run of the mill things mild speeding, running a stop light/sign and fairly petti misdemeanors talking here about driving crimes ( not like DUI but crimes that must be caught on a secondary basis such as driving without a driver's license and then there are crimes that are NOT secondary in nature. Also what about committing a crime for which the person either was not caught and/or was not convicted. I agree with you, but at the same time if we do not have a certain amount of gray area we are STILL left with some of the same issues. As it releates to learning English I certainly agree, however there is a pretty good chance that people for whom this would apply alreay have begun that process anyway, so while that should be a requirement many of them have already begun working on that.

When is there never gray area?

How convoluted do we make it? I thought what she said was simple and straight forward.

 

[dogs4thewin]

When is there never gray area?

How convoluted do we make it? I thought what she said was simple and straight forward.

In a sense I did too but we are still left with what the heck is the line when we are dealing with MILLIONS of people? What do we want people to do know the exact date the came over here over say a decade ago? As to crime here too I mostly agree, but should it really apply to any and all crimes a person could possiably commit and should it count for anything that the person was never convicted?

 

[seeking.IAM]

What type of if any path of cititzenship should be offered to those people here illegally IF that is their only crime?

I support a pathway to citizenship for adults who were brought to the U.S. as children through no choice of their own, have lived the majority of their lives here, and have no ties to their home country.

If you entered illegally as an adult, I think you should self-deport and try to enter the U.S. legally. But good luck with that (see below).

That said, a bigger problem about the pathway to citizenship, in my opinion, is that it needs to be speedier, less complex to do, and cheaper if we want people to do it legally. Many Americans don't understand how difficult and expensive becoming a citizen can be. It's not like spending an hour down at the BMV. A system that is so complex that it takes years while you pay an immigration attorney to navigate it on your behalf seems counterproductive to me.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Work out a deal to get the DACA kids (er young adults) citizenized.

Otherwise, people who tried to jump the line should go to the back of the line for immigration.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Work out a deal to get the DACA kids (er young adults) citizenized.

Otherwise, people who tried to jump the line should go to the back of the line for immigration.

Are they worth spending resources and money on trough ( assuming they do not self-deport and in that case really why should they not be allowed in the standard line ( assuming again that they otherwise followed the law while here as in a sense they did do the right thing. They may have made a mistake, but usually things are less harsh if you own up to it than otherwise. I mean heck even in criminal court many times admitting wrongdoing early in the proccess will get you either reduced charges or a sentene at te lower end of thr range. Plus if someone truely self-deports then short of asking them directly how would we really know that they were once here illegally?

 

[Always in His Presence]

In a sense I did too but we are still left with what the heck is the line when we are dealing with MILLIONS of people? What do we want people to do know the exact date the came over here over say a decade ago? As to crime here too I mostly agree, but should it really apply to any and all crimes a person could possiably commit and should it count for anything that the person was never convicted?

The date they broke the law and came illegally is superfluous, back of the line means they start just like the came today - and that is fair. They are all criminals in the eyes of the law -

 

[dogs4thewin]

The date they broke the law and came illegally is superfluous, back of the line means they start just like the came today - and that is fair. They are all criminals in the eyes of the law -

but does not line have an order that is why I said organize it by date or what?

 

[Always in His Presence]

but does not line have an order that is why I said organize it by date or what?

the date is today -

 

[Always in His Presence]

The date they broke the law and came illegally is superfluous, back of the line means they start just like the came today - and that is fair. They are all criminals in the eyes of the law -

 

[dogs4thewin]

the date is today -

Yes, but what order should the back of the line be then? We cannot proccess millions of applications in one day or even maybe one year how do we decide which people at the "back of the line" get proccessed first? This is true even if we completely stopped the line for a time.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Plus if someone truely self-deports then short of asking them directly how would we really know that they were once here illegally?

We wouldn't, and we wouldn't need to. If they then join the line, they'll be at the back of it.

 

[High Fidelity]

Hard to say.

Canada has a great system insofar as direct routes to residence if you have certain levels and combination of skills/education/experience/language, whilst also allowing provincial governments to do labour market assessments and make it possible for unskilled and semi-skilled workers to fill shortages in jobs that are either hard to recruit for as they’re undesirable, or because it’s a more remote area.

Canada, for example, struggles to recruit roles based in hospitality, and those are often accessible as a route to live and work in the country. However your ability to stay is subject to working in that or another eligible role.

It’s the best of both worlds. You attract highly skilled workers through the direct stream and you help staff unskilled and semi-skilled work that mostly foreign workers would fill in the U.S. situation.

So an example in practical terms that would be New York State recognising that without foreign workers the dairy industry basically collapses because most Americans don’t want to do the dirty work.

This would also help states operate at a state level to determine where their shortages are and where it’s beneficial to allow foreign workers in.

This also helps address that issue of letting 1 million in to fill the 100,000 jobs that would be targeted by those schemes, instead of over-saturating the market with cheap labour competing for unskilled or semi-skilled work that citizens are trying to get too

 

[Always in His Presence]

Yes, but what order should the back of the line be then? We cannot proccess millions of applications in one day or even maybe one year how do we decide which people at the "back of the line" get proccessed first? This is true even if we completely stopped the line for a time.

I've answered it twice - my answer has not changed.

Third time:

The date they broke the law and came illegally is superfluous, back of the line means they start just like they came today - and that is fair. They are all criminals in the eyes of the law -

or course that is after they pay the fine and any taxes they had not paid - Like Hillary said

 

[dogs4thewin]

I've answered it twice - my answer has not changed.

Third time:


or course that is after they pay the fine and any taxes they had not paid - Like Hillary said

some of them pay taxes.

I am confused though you said the date was today I GET that, but unless they self deport which would really be the only way we would have the resources to "deport" them all you really would have no way of knowing who came here when to form a line. Now, if someone were to self-deport and come back the right way then of course they would join the line

 

[Say it aint so]

Ease and open the green card process.
Change the green card work requirement from 5 to 3 years.
Hire more judges to streamline the time to naturalization.