Partial or Full Dispensationalism

[notreligus]

Do you accept Partial or Full Dispensationalism as the correct method of Bible interpretation?

Would you briefly comment as to why you accept one over the other?

Thank you.

 

[dreadnought]

Do you accept Partial or Full Dispensationalism as the correct method of Bible interpretation?

Would you briefly comment as to why you accept one over the other?

Thank you.

People are always coming up with these words, such as "dispensationalism," and then I have to look them up to see what they mean.

The Lord has a plan. One might call that "dispensationalism." However, only he knows the plan, and none of us know what's next. It might be interesting subject matter, but I don't think our salvation is dependent on knowing the answer.

 

[notreligus]

People are always coming up with these words, such as "dispensationalism," and then I have to look them up to see what they mean.

The Lord has a plan. One might call that "dispensationalism." However, only he knows the plan, and none of us know what's next. It might be interesting subject matter, but I don't think our salvation is dependent on knowing the answer.

This is a forum for discussing Dispensationalism. I would agree that salvation is not dependent upon knowing this answer, but the regular posters here who promote Dispensationalism as their system of Bible interpretation should know the answer because they believe that Dispensationalism is THE way to rightly divide the Word/the Bible.

 

[dreadnought]

This is a forum for discussing Dispensationalism. I would agree that salvation is not dependent upon knowing this answer, but the regular posters here who promote Dispensationalism as their system of Bible interpretation should know the answer because they believe that Dispensationalism is THE way to rightly divide the Word/the Bible.

One would want to have a proper understanding of the Bible, if that was possible for mere mortals.

 

[notreligus]

One would want to have a proper understanding of the Bible, if that was possible for mere mortals.

No need to have that chip on your shoulder.

I am not here to promote Dispensationalism as the only way to understand the Bible. I turned away from Dispensationalism as the proper way to "divide" the Bible. Most Dispensationals that I have personally known plus those I have interacted with on the Internet would say that they did not understand the Bible before they were Dispensationals. The confusion that most folk seem to have is based on what comes from the pulpit. Throughout my growing-up years - long ago - I mostly heard sermons based on the four Gospels and once in awhile there'd be a reference to a Psalm or a Proverb or a reference to Noah or Samson, etc. but the Old Testament was apparently for everyone but Christians. The entire Bible needs to be read and understood as one story. The Bible is the story of redemption of mankind with Jesus Christ as the central figure. Dispensationals claim that they have determined the proper way to divide the Bible. Well, they been successful in their dividing of the Bible. They have created yet another barrier to understanding the Bible. Perhaps you should spend some time trying to understand Dispensationalism so you can speak about it with some authority instead of taking pot shots.

 

[dreadnought]

No need to have that chip on your shoulder.

I am not here to promote Dispensationalism as the only way to understand the Bible. I turned away from Dispensationalism as the proper way to "divide" the Bible. Most Dispensationals that I have personally known plus those I have interacted with on the Internet would say that they did not understand the Bible before they were Dispensationals. The confusion that most folk seem to have is based on what comes from the pulpit. Throughout my growing-up years - long ago - I mostly heard sermons based on the four Gospels and once in awhile there'd be a reference to a Psalm or a Proverb or a reference to Noah or Samson, etc. but the Old Testament was apparently for everyone but Christians. The entire Bible needs to be read and understood as one story. The Bible is the story of redemption of mankind with Jesus Christ as the central figure. Dispensationals claim that they have determined the proper way to divide the Bible. Well, they been successful in their dividing of the Bible. They have created yet another barrier to understanding the Bible. Perhaps you should spend some time trying to understand Dispensationalism so you can speak about it with some authority instead of taking pot shots.

Chip on my shoulder? How did you arrive at that?

 

[ac28]

Why is it always the unknowledgeable that try to pin labels on everyone? I'm a Bible believer, period, and the only possible way I can be a Bible believer is to obey 2Tim 2:15 and rightly divide God's Word and, therefore, be approved unto God. And, since ONLY dispensationalists rightly divide, I MUST be a dispensationalist to be a Bible believer. No one on the planet truly believes their Bible unless they are a dispensationalist. It's impossible, otherwise. Non-dispensationalists think they believe the Bible, but it's an impossibility. The label that people stick on us that believe a brand new Gentile Church started in Ac 28:28, is a fake label. We are bible believers, period, and no one else is, including other forms of so-called dispensationalism.

 

[food4thought]

Do you accept Partial or Full Dispensationalism as the correct method of Bible interpretation?

Would you briefly comment as to why you accept one over the other?

Thank you.

Hi, notreigious. I'm not sure what you mean when you say "partial" and "full" dispensationalism. Could you please clarify what you mean by those terms? Thanks in advance!

I consider myself basically dispensational as I believe the main ideas of dispensationalism such as the distinction between Israel and the church, periods of time where God had distinct ways of dealing with humanity, and a normal hermeneutic approach to Scripture. I am still learning and have not really established where I stand on when exactly the current dispensation began (John 20, Acts 2, Acts 8 or 9, Acts 28), although I lean toward the classical dispensational view of Acts 2, or maybe John 20 (when Jesus gave the Holy Spirit to the disciples). And I certainly don't agree with ac28's view that only Acts 28 dispensationalists are biblical!

 

[ac28]

One would want to have a proper understanding of the Bible, if that was possible for mere mortals.

According to 2Tim 2:15, in order to be approved unto God and to not be ashamed, you must rightly divide (correctly cut) God's Word. God has given us another rule to help us know where to rightly divide. In Phil 1:10, it says to approve thing that are excellent. If you look this up in Strong's, you'll find this means "try, or test, the things that differ". Therefore, since the things that differ the greatest in God's word are those things that only apply to Israel vs those only Gentile things, that's what we should rightly divide. The obvious place to cut the scriptures would be where things totally pertaining directly to Israel are on one side of the cut and things only pertaining to Gentiles are on the other side of the cut. Then, we eliminate the Israel stuff and keep the Gentile stuff.

If we recognize that the Gentiles in the Acts church were all part of Israel because it says they were all grafted into Israel, it is obvious that all of Acts was all Israel. Therefore, from Gen 12 through the end of Acts, everything, the hope, the calling, the rules, the directions, etc., all pertained to Israel. However, because of Israel's unbelief in their Messiah, Jesus Christ, Israel was set aside in Ac 28:28, when the salvation of God, Jesus Christ, was taken from them and given to the Gentiles. At that point, everything pertaining to Israel was also set aside. This included things like the Acts Church, the Gifts, the rapture, and Paul's 7 books written during Acts - Rom, Gal, 1&2Cor, 1&2Th, and Heb. After Acts, Paul wrote 7 new books solely to the Gentiles of today, unlike his Acts books, which were written to the Jews and the Gentiles that were all part of Israel. These new books are Eph, Phil, Col 1&2Tim, Titus, and Philemon. In them, you find a brand new all Gentile church, The Church Which is Actually Jesus Christ's Body, Where Jesus Christ is the Head. We find that we can have a calling of spending eternity in Heaven, unlike anyone in scripture from Gen 12 through the end of Acts, if we eliminate everything pertaining to Israel from our minds and SEE, BELIEVE, and CLAIM our Hope and Calling of Heaven, found only in Paul's post-Acts books.

The ONLY people I know of that even make an attempt to rightly divide are dispensationalists. Therefore, to be approved unto God and to even come close "to having a proper understanding of the Bible", as you said, is to first learn as much as you can about dispensationalism.

I know all this sounds complicated. In practice, it's very simple. Just forget every RULE and DIRECTION, ONLY, (not facts) that is in any part of scripture from Gen 12 through the end of Acts and apply to yourself everything found in Paul's post-Acts books. Very simple! Once you do this, you'll find that there is zero confusion, zero contradictions, and that there is no need of a typical preacher, that peddles the Word of God for profit (see 2Cor 2:17), to wrongly explain things to you, as they always seem to do. The only rule I know of that carries over from Acts to after-Acts is Paul's gospel in 1Cor 15:1-4. I know this because Paul calls this MY GOSPEL, throughout all of his books.

In learning these truths, the biggest mistake you can possibly make is to ask your pastor what he or she thinks about all this. Since all denominational preacher know less Bible truth than you do, if any of this has soaked in, they will invariably tell you that this is heresy. Also, because they are much more charismatic than you are, they will convince you that what I'm telling you is wrong. When it comes right down to where the rubber meets the road, for the truthseeker, the only thing that 99% of all denominational preachers are good for is evangelism. Of course, getting saved is the #1, absolutely most important thing there is but, after that, there's nothing important a typical preacher can do for you, as far as understanding God's word is concerned. They just have no idea of what the truth truly is.

So, if you want to know more than any preacher with D.D. after his name, obey the scriptures and rightly divide God's word.

P.S. - Even though I've been an Acts 28 dispensationalist, which is the pinnacle of Bible understanding, for 30 years, the terms partial and full dispensationalist are new to me. Can someone please explain them?

 

[DeepWater]

Do you accept Partial or Full Dispensationalism as the correct method of Bible interpretation?

Would you briefly comment as to why you accept one over the other?

Thank you.

None of the above

Here is the thing.
WE, humans, are created within the boundary of TIME.
God, the eternal, who is "A Spirit" and not just 'spirit " as corrupt bibles try to demean Him..,,,
Yes, let me explain this as you and all readers who find me here, and what I just said... as you will will want to know, and you need to know.
Listen, you can't just lump God in with "spirits" as so many corrupt bibles do, ....as they, (spirits) are not all the same type.
For example, there is the "un-clean" spirit, there is the demonic spirit, there is the spirit of man...
Then there is the Holy Spirit.
All different types.
Anyone ever teach you this?.
No, of course not.
Here is something else you'll find interesting that I'll share with you... before I complete this little lesson for you, regarding your Thread's topic.
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Man, can create a baby in one way...... adding sperm to egg.
God, can create a human, out of Dirt, with no woman, and from a Rib, taken from the side of a man, and from a Virgin and Holy Seed, and of course, creating Man to join with woman.
So, that is 4 ways God can create a human.
You've never been shown this...... I know. But I just did, so, keep reading, sincere believer, and I'll show you more simple truth that will become the most logical light to you, as you would receive it.
So, again.... do you SEE that all these SPIRITS, are not the SAME?
So, if you bible says...."God is Spirit", instead of "A Spirit", meaning A SINGLE specific TYPE, that separates God from say, the "unclean spirit", then your bible has issues, and it will cause you to have doctrinal issues and issues with your theology.
As that is what happens.

Ok.
real quick.
Humans live within the boundary of TIME, that has a beginning and an end, and God does not.
He lives outside of Time, as He is not bound by time, as He is an Eternal Spirit.
So, as God laid out Time as a boundary, and set man inside a body within it to exist, He then began to deal with man, in different ways, as Time passed from the beginning, to the end of time.
Your bible is an explanation of all this Time passing, and God dealing with man, and how He does it, within it.
Understand?
And as God dealt and continues to deal with man, in different ways, since the beginning of Time, and will continue to, till the end of Man's time, bible scholars call these (time dealings) , dispensations.

Now let me show you a few, so that you can add up what im saying and realize it to be the truth.

1.) Adam was created, and from the Time of Adam's birth, until God gave Moses the "law", there was no Law.
This is why your bible tells you."where there is no law, there is no transgression".
If you have ever read your OT, then you will read that Cain got his wife from the land of "Nod".
What type of wife is that?
Its probably his cousin or similar, as at that TIME, it was OK to marry this way, as "where there is no law, there is NO Transgression".
I bet you didn't know that about Cain?....You know, Adam and Eve's eldest?
Well, after he killed Able, God exiled Cain to the east of Eden, and this is the land of Nod.
Where he got his wife.
Isn't that interesting?
You sure are learning a lot.
Keep going....

Next, you have the period of time, from Moses > until Christ".
This is another TIME period that God was doing something different with man.
He was now holding us, "under the Law".
This is why you have a scripture that says..."the law was given by Moses, but GRACE and TRUTH, came by Jesus Christ".
So, now, you are currently living in this period of time.
Its called the "time of the Gentiles" in Luke 21..
Its when God's Grace, through Christ, is given based on FAITH, to "all who would believe"
"for God so loved the world that He GAVE His only begotten" (Jesus).
This is the time period that we are currently existing within that started with Jesus Dying on a Cross.
And this is a completely different situation, (dispensation) (time period) then when you only had Moses and the law, and the 10 Commandment, and NO CROSS...... and no GRACE.

Soon, the time period we are in, that started with the Cross will change.
This is the 7 yr, "Great Tribulation", and once again God will be dealing with humans, differently then He is dealing with them right now...
See it?
Another time period where God is dealing with man, in a different way then He was just doing it.
See it?
All these time periods where God deals differently with MAN, are called "dispensations", but really, that is a silly word.
The fact is, its just time periods where God is dealing with Man, in a different way, for a TIME PERIOD.

The next one, following the 7 years of the the Great Tribulation, you have a new Time period where God is doing another different thing again, (for 1000 years) as Jesus will be here, and we'll be with him in Israel, which is the Millennial reign of Christ.
This is obviously different then the Great Trib, or the other time periods I have shown you.

So, dont get bogged down by the word "dispensation"< but instead just realize that the Bible is a living and evolving book of Truth that is relating, teaching, and showing you how God has evolved and changed His dealings with us, over Time, in different ways..


blessings,


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