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Okay. I know it's been like three weeks, but I said that I would give my whole story and so I am. I really don't expect anyone to still be reading this thread, and even if you are, I don't expect a response. But just in case.
This summer, about a month before I was to start college, I made a random comment about how I did not want to spend another four years in school. It was not meant to be taken seriously. It was just that: a random comment. My mom responded with: are you sure that you need to go to college? Have you talked to any missions agency representatives to see what their requirments are? It was a thought. So I emailed about five different missionary organizations, among them Pioneers, New Tribes, Global Frontiers and Mountainside Ministry. The latter three all had one or two year programs that trained a potential missionary on the field. Pioneers did not have such a program, but suggested a few others. So I looked into those, emailed them and they sent information packets. I was really encouraged. I could spend one or two years saving up, then join one of those programs. In four years time, I would have two years of missions experience and be involved with a missions organization. My parents, particularly my dad, was not very happy. They sat down with me, went over all the benefits of college and how good an idea it was and how I was not ready for real missions work yet. That was discouraging. My options seemed so clear, so right and yet my parents would not support me. I decided I didn't have to make any decisions immediately. I would be taking at least a semester off, so I would use that time to pray and seek God's direction.
A little while later, my sister sent me a link to hi5.com. She has a Xanga and a myspace and probably other things as well, so I assumed that this was just another thing like that. When I realized that my mom had joined this as well, I thought it might be fun to try, so I joined as well. I put this in my profile:
"I'm a Christian, who feels called to be a missionary and has controversial ideas about how to do that. For instance, I'm not going to college for it. For now, I'm working as a full time manager at a shoe store, saving money until I figure out what God would have me do. So that's my life in a nutshell at the moment."
A week or so later, I received an offer from another hi5 user to take part in his ministry. I assumed that it was kind of the same deal as with the other missions organizations: You may work out over here, send us more information, we'll send you some and we'll see what God does. So I sent an e-mail back, saying I was interested in learning more and I told him a little bit about myself. Over our next few e-mails, I began to realize that this was different than what I thought. He was not asking me to correspond with him to see if this was where I belonged. He was saying that he felt that God was leading me to work alongside him in this ministry, and that if I felt the same, I could, at any time, come and work alongside him. He was not asking for more information, though he sent me a detailed file on his work.
I was amazed. I thought that it was kind of reckless of him at first, but then I realized that he was just trusting God. I don't know what led him to me, but I do know that there are literally hundreds, if not more, users of that website. How did he happen to stumble across me? What made him think that I, an eighteen-year old with no training and very little experience, could benefit his ministry? The answer was clear: I loved Jesus. He loved Jesus. He wanted others to love Jesus.
That's when I realized that this was what God's wanted me to do. Please understand that I am not trying to bash big missionary organizations. They are wonderful, reaching many thousands of people in many different countries. I hope someday that our ministry will reach those heights. But more than that, I hope that if we do, we don't lose sight of our reason for doing this (and I am not saying that the big organizations have). I hope that we will not forget that we need to trust God to lead us to the right people. And even if someday we have to require applications and interviews of our missionaries, I hope we will not rely on their experience or training, but on their devotion and commitment.
There is nothing wrong with the organizations that do require training and experience. Nothing wrong at all. In many of their cases, it is absolutely necessary. But in some it is not. I hope that our ministry will be one in which it is not, because there is an abundance (perhaps not an overabundance) of those that do. Both have their advantages. Both have their disadvantages. There needs to be a balance. There needs to be a realization that college degrees are not to be confused with God's qualifications for his messengers.
I also realized that if I chose to do this, I would most likely be doing it for the rest of my life. No bouncing back and forth between training, serving in this area and serving in that area. The focus and direction would be straight.
I also realized that I could literally sell all I have (which granted is not much) and give everything to this ministry, which I believe should be the focus of every missionary (not just foreign ones).
No, my parents did not like it. No, my parents still do not like it. But I will wait for a year, maybe two, and hope that God will work in their hearts and continue to confirm his calling in my own.
Thank you all for your time in giving me your advice. I know I naturally sound defensive in all my replies, but I have and continue to consider your words and learn from your advice.
 
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What is the name of this ministry? Do you have any other information about it other than what this guy has told you? Has anyone you know ever heard of it? What is it's source of funding?

I think it is highly irresponsible for someone, anyone, to tell you that they think God is calling you to work with them in a ministry when they have not so much as met you! There is so much more needed for ministry than a love of Jesus.
 
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Well, you're kinda getting into the whole "how do we know His will" thing, but anyway...


James Dobson wrote a book entitled, "Emotions: Can You Trust Them?" and his conclusion is a resounding NO!


I think PART of knowing his will and stuff is to pray and seek His guidance and passion and peace. But that's only PART of it.

We also need to seek His Word - the Bible, if it's in accord with what God teaches us.

AND I think we need to check it out with godly people, wise Christian people. IF you find a confirmation there, especially if it's a clear consensus, that's pretty strong. IF it's just not there or if it's clearly mixed, then maybe you need to go back to the drawing board?

I think often when we rely on ourselves - we tend to hear what we want to hear. It's good to seek the counsel of godly, wise Christian people.


MY view.


Keep the faith! Share the love!


- Josiah



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On another note, as a Junior in college, I'm very in favor of college. I know it's not for everyone, but I doubt it hurts anyone. And it CERTAINLY cannot make you a worse missionary, but only make you a better one! I'd invite you to consider AT LEAST a bachelor degree - if not more. My father, a minister, has 4 years of college and 6 full-time years of grad school. It doesn't hurt. It often helps.


MY view.


Keep the faith! Share the love!


- Josiah



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My concern does not come from your calling or your parents will. My concern comes from this being a brand new missionary and your own comment:

"The missionary contacted me. He asked me if I wanted to join. He knows how young I am, how I have not gone to college, how inexperienced I am with missions. But he recognizes God's call in spite of that"

This is a red flag to me. You are not well know in missionary work yet. You are not in a high demand profession. For what reason did this man single you out to help him.

Be very wary.....missionary work may well be your calling....but research both this man and his missionary VERY well before you leave the safety of your parents and your home land. Too many scams exhist and too many perverts walk this Earth for you to not exersize the utmost caution. Remember, he found you somehow.....find out how and why. Then don't just be trusting of his word. Research Research Research. Once you leave your parents safety, you will be at his total mercy, so please be very careful.

He may be on the complete up and up....but your life and safety are worth the time to check refernces and background.

 
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Research is kinda difficult considering that he has started this ministry single-handedly. He is looking for challenging partners to work with him in presenting Jesus to these people. The love of Jesus is enough. It is more than enough. And college can do harm if it destroys or even delays an opportunity that is God's will.
I have thought and prayed about this endlessly. I continue to do so. I have lined it up against the Bible, and it has come through. This is God's will for me.
 
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If this is God's will, why are you unwilling to share his name with us? Or the name of his ministry? Or who has already come on board with funding? Has he approached others for funding?

No disrespect to you, but you are not equipped to be a partner in a ministry. You are an 18 year old girl with no education or particular skills. How do you even know if this guy is legit?
 
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I agree that your safety is an issue that needs to be addressed. We do place our trust in God to keep us safe, but that does not mean that we are not to use common sense to insure our safety. Research this person to make sure he is on the up and up.

Also, this will not be a popular view, but your gender is also an issue here. I have no issue whatsoever with experienced women missionaries who have struck out on their own, but generally speaking they acquired their experience by the side of their husband. It was their husband who was called to the mission field, and the wives accompanied them. They continued the work of their husbands after the death of their husbands, but the work had already been established.

There are exceptions to this of course, but if you will study the lives of women missionaries, you will find that they entered into the field with a great deal of protection either with their husbands or in the home of a family of missionaries who were already established. To strike out on your own with an unknown man does not seem a reasonable pursuit of your calling.

Where does this guy attend church? If he is already in the field, who is he supported by? Certainly missionaries sell all they have to go the field, but they are ALWAYS supported by a homechurch. Even if the church has no affiliation with a mission board, and I have never heard of one that doesn't, but even if this were possible, this guy should at the very least be able to provide you with references of people who are working with him and supporting him. Has he done this?

Last, I get a sense that you are romanticizing the mission field. I know this is a strong word and possibly offensive to you. I beg you to not take it that way, but search your heart to see if your own motives are pure. My sense of this stems from your view of the "big" organizations and your role within one of these established missions. You would of course start at the bottom there, whereas, this guy is offering you a co-partnership. I hear you say, "our" mission already. I hear you say that you hope someday "our" mission will "reach those heights". This sounds as if you are wishing to establish yourself as leader without having spent the time as servant. The Bible says to study and show yourself approved. Without a great deal of time of study, do you realize that you could cause more harm than do good?

Let me give you a real life example: My brother was called to preach. There is no requirement that a preacher should have a degee to preach, and many of them do not. One of the best preachers I know has no degree of any kind. Yet, my brother who had been raised in church, and knew a great deal about the Bible chose to sell all that he had (house and cars), move half way across the country with his wife to go to college. As a Freshman there, he was given a van. In order to graduate, one of his requirements was that he was to establish a van route in the inner city. For 4 years, he traveled into the worst parts of Chicago witnessing and inviting people to church. He has many stories of where his life was threatened by the gangs there. Most of these people were too poor to have cars (thus the van), and it was my brothers job (along with all of the other Freshmen) to fill the van up to bring them to church each Sunday. He also took turns with the others to preach at the various mission churches that were established throughout the city. So, he received PRACTICAL training that he is now able to apply as a pastor. He is sucessful at his calling because he took the time to get the training he would need. College is not just about books and study, but is a training ground for the practical side of life.

You also need to face the tough questions that any other missionary has to face. You also need to be accountable to someone. Does YOUR homechurch support YOU? If the answer is "No", then, you need to wait. Going against your parents and your church is not Bibical, and I say that with the assumption that your parents and church are Bible-based and in the will of God themselves. So, before you go headlong against the will of your parents or the will of your church, you need to be sure that THEY are not in the will of God with THEIR advice to you.

I pray that I have not come off as offensive to you. I am a very direct person and I write with a sharp point. I say all that I say to you with nothing but love for you, so please, please know that my heart does not mean harm to you. A true friend will tell you the truth and I hope you know that my intention here is not to hurt you but to help you.

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His name is no secret, but I don't post it out of respect to his privacy. I have not posted my name either. That does not make me untrustworthy.
His ministry does not have a name. In our correspondence, we have referred to it as our ministry.
I think our understanding of the proper skills for being in ministry is very different. When I look at the examples of missionaries in the Bible, I don't see that many of them were equipped. I know that many of them had jobs beforehand. Peter was a fisherman, Paul was a tentmaker, and there are others of course. But these people left their jobs for the ministry. When Paul did resume tentmaking for a time, it was because he happened or God willed him to meet other tentmakers and he used their common bond to assist them. He gave it up and moved back to full-time ministry as soon as he could (Acts 18:1-5).
This missionary knows what his minstry needs better than anyone else, except God of course. We have both prayed and searched the Bible for answers on this. I have listened to many people's advice, and because of that, I am waiting for at least a year before actually physicaly going. But this is where God has been leading me, and until that changes, I will go.
 
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I have been reading a biography of Amy Carmichael recently. She did have much support from home and with an established missionary agency. But she struck out on her own numerous times as well. In fact, what she is most remembered for is her rescuing of temple children, which she did not exactly do with the consent of most of her supporters. She frequently ignored orders from the missionary society she was affiliated with.


This missionary is looking for five other missionaries to support himself. He supports himself. I do not know the name of his church, but even if I did, it would not mean much because his church is in India and I am not familiar with the different Indian churches. I will be raising support from home as well, probably not by my church, but by many of the people in my church.


Please be assured that I do not take any offense at any of your advice, whether I agree or not. I greatly appreciate the time you are taking to give it. I apologize if I sound too defensive at times.
You are not the first person to assume that I am simply romanticiing missions. My dad has accused me of that and I have accused myself of it as well. In fact, it was one of the biggest barriers in my accepting this as God's will. At first, I brushed off this possibility as simply a romantic venture. I am well aware of my tendencies toward that.
But I have come to the conclusion that this is not the case. Truthfully, I do not really want this to become a big organization. I would rather it stay small and localized in only a few Indian villages. I am just like that. I prefer small to big. I handle small things better. When the missionary first mentioned expanding the ministry eventually, I was a little taken aback.The reason I hope for this to someday become "big" is because I know that the influence will then extend further as well. When it does get that big, I will certainly not be the leader. He will. Or another missionary that has joined us will. It will not be me. Unless of course God changes that, which he might do. But I hope not.


I have not presented this before my entire church. At least not yet. I don't believe that I am going to raise support from the church as a whole, though I will from several Christians within my church.
Since it has been decided that I will not be leaving for another year, I have decided to put the issue on hold for now. My parents have all the information that I do. I am going to let God work in their hearts, while continuing to pray about this on my own.


Once again, nothing you have said has offended me. Thank you so much for your advice. I really do appreciate it.
 
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Well, you have certainly shown ME that you have the right heart. I am impressed with you and your attitude. I said some very pointed and direct things to you, you considered what I said, and responded very Christ-like. I do not know you, but you have indeed won me over with your attitude. Just be careful and prayerful

Lisa
 
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I had the exact same problem when I was in my last year of high school - I had a very strong calling from God for ministry, my parents wanted me to go to college first (or preferably not go at all). They were very worried! In the end, I did what I felt called to do, went to college afterwards. I still know it was God's will for me, even though my parents kept hoping right until the day I left that I would change my mind. I'll pray for you!
 
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Well, I wasn't expecting that.
Thank you so much. I can't tell you how much your advice has meant to me. And it has made a difference as well. I was being a little rushed before. What you have said has slowed me down a bit. I am more willing to wait on my parents, as it seems that is what God wants. I was rushing into it before, and your suggestions slowed me down enough to realize that. Once again, thank you.
And, once again, I'd like to thank everyone else who has offered their advice as well.
 
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Hey!

I just noticed your Left Behind Book behind your character. Those were great! Have you read all of them?

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You have to remember that our Father runs and owns everything if you really feel in your s pirit that GOD is calling you go for it. Don't argue with your parents just pray and ask the Lord to forgive them for standing in his way. Becasue that's what they are doing and it's not a safe thing to do. Whatever it is that GOD"s is showing you to do do it to the fullest and remember that your fight is not against flesh but the enemy. My advice would be to take your parents to the scripture regarding fruits and IDOL worship I cannot undesrstand anyone that would stand in GODS way. Pray! Becasue you do reap what you sew and unfortunately your parents may be in danger of sewing a bad seed by blocking GOD"S work.
 
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Listen to the still small voice of God in your heart and let Him lead you, and respect and listen to your parents too. Pray alone and also with them and with other Christian believers that you trust. You need much spiritual covering from people who are prayer warriors, now and in the future. God will give you clear answers ... always in His right timing. May God bless you, sister!
 
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Hey Dietolive,
Some things I picked up on that you might also want to pray about...Like others have stated, it does seem very suspisious that a single man working on his own without a networking support group of other christians and churches would "hire" an inexperienced 18 yr. old girl over the internet. Next, God has commanded us to respect our parents. If they are followers of the Lord and are walking with him, then you need to continue to put yourself under their authority. When this does become in His will, then he will show that to your parents as well as to you. One other thing that I picked up on was that you are going to be working with children as a dietition. Well it seems to me that in order to be the most effective you can be at something like that, then you would want to learn as much as you could about that. If this ministry is legit, and your parents came to approve of you going, you are going to want to serve these children in the most effective way possible. It would just seem that the more education you could get for yourself about the subject, the better you would be at doing it.

God wants us to be prayerful, yes, but he also wants us to be careful, respectful and practicle as well.

My advice would be to
1)have your Dad and Pastor check out this missionary, even to the point of having other missionaries who are already over there check him out personally before you ever meet him. In other words, get references.
2)continue in prayer and especially pray with your parents and trust in God's speaking to them as well.
3)go to college and take as many classes as you can to learn about what you plan to do on the mission field.

May God truely bless your ministry, even if that ministry for today is the person in the seat next to you.
 
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die2live said:
Yes, I devoured those books over last summer. I really liked them. The last one moved kind of slow, but overall they were great.
Have you seen any of the movies?

I read them this summer too! I have not seen the movies.
 
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