Parallel universe

[juvenissun]

I like to know what does the concept (or theory) of parallel universe mean to your believe on the origin.

I am not sure if this question is a related one: do you believe there is another "anti-earth" somewhere in another dimension?

Somehow, I am trying to tie this thinking to that of the Genesis Flood.

 

[philadiddle]

I like to know what does the concept (or theory) of parallel universe mean to your believe on the origin.

I am not sure if this question is a related one: do you believe there is another "anti-earth" somewhere in another dimension?

Somehow, I am trying to tie this thinking to that of the Genesis Flood.

There was no global flood.

But anyways, a white hole would be the opposite of a black hole. Matter would pour out instead of being sucked in. The big bang is thought by some to be a white hole as the result of a black hole from another universe. Likewise, the black holes in our universe would result in the creation of other universes. From wikipedia:

A more current view of white holes takes into consideration a revision to the standard model of the big bang theory which states that the big bang is an explosion that happens within a black hole, with the expansion that follows the traditional interpretation of the big bang, expanding into infinite space inside the black hole. In other words, a miniature universe is created at the core of the black hole, which expands into extra dimensions outside of this universe. The expansion taking place in this new miniature universe, if it could be perceived from an observer from this universe, could be looked at as a white hole. Matter that could not escape the intense gravitational pull of the black hole in this universe is instead sent speeding into the newly expanding baby universe. Using that logic, one could assume that our universe itself is a white hole. Hypothetically, this model could be used to explain the increasing rate of expansion of this universe: as matter from our parent universe is engulfed by our parent black hole (the black hole that created our universe), our own universe is fed this matter which could possibly have something to do with dark matter and dark energy, which currently is thought to contribute to the increase in the rate of our universe's expansion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_hole

 

[juvenissun]

There was no global flood.

Sounds like you know a lot.

 

[crawfish]

According to string theory, the fifth dimension contains all the possible universes that can be. So, in effect, it's definite that a global flood happened in at least one of 'em.

Just kidding. However, here is a great site on learning the theory behind multiple dimensions: http://www.tenthdimension.com/medialinks.php

 

[juvenissun]

According to string theory, the fifth dimension contains all the possible universes that can be. So, in effect, it's definite that a global flood happened in at least one of 'em.

Just kidding. However, here is a great site on learning the theory behind multiple dimensions: http://www.tenthdimension.com/medialinks.php

It is a great demo video. Thanks a lot.
It explained to me why is the idea (?) of 11th dimension so intriguing.
Well, my question is still there. Is it proper for us to peek a little bit into God's world by this understanding? Some people called this idea an "imagination" which only exists in math. I don't buy that. The idea is very logic. Anything which is logic is possible. To me, it is a great wisdom only God could give to us.

As to its relation to the Genesis Flood? An impossibility in 3D would be trivial in 4D or 5D. Needless to say we could have 10Ds. May be, jsut may be, the Flood could be explained very easily in a 5D universe.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

There was no global flood.

Ever?

Psalm 104

:6 Thou (God) coveredst it (the earth, globe) with the deep (lotsa water) as with a garment (as in all over) the waters stood (like a big lake) above (on top of) the mountains (highest points of the globe):

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I like to know what does the concept (or theory) of parallel universe mean to your believe on the origin.

I am not sure if this question is a related one: do you believe there is another "anti-earth" somewhere in another dimension?

Somehow, I am trying to tie this thinking to that of the Genesis Flood.

Can't do much with parallel universe as science envisions it but I believe that the physical/material history of man and earth replicates events that have happened in the spirit universe.

In fact, I believe that human history is a re-creation of events that have already happened in the spirit realm.

So the obvious parallel universes are: The Kingdom that is the material universe, and, the spirit/spiritual Kingdom of God. One is the image of the other, physically and historically.

Regards the flood. The flood was a baptism that washed the earth of its evil. It's spirit parallel/type might have been the casting out of heaven of the rebelling angels. I also think that the earth may have been purified this way many times before GenOne.

 

[Assyrian]

Ever?

Psalm 104

:6 Thou (God) coveredst it (the earth, globe) with the deep (lotsa water) as with a garment (as in all over) the waters stood (like a big lake) above (on top of) the mountains (highest points of the globe):

A description of the earth being covered with water during the creation, before any life appeared, does not help a global flood during Noah's time, especially when God says the water wasn't going to cover the earth again Psalm 104:9 You set a boundary that they may not pass, so that they might not again cover the earth.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

A description of the earth being covered with water during the creation, before any life appeared, does not help a global flood during Noah's time, especially when God says the water wasn't going to cover the earth again Psalm 104:9 You set a boundary that they may not pass, so that they might not again cover the earth.

But they did. Verse 9 isn't a perpetual covenant, but simply the establishing of the seashore boundaries. Note that God rebuked the waters back to their intended boundaries. If it were why would God break his word by flooding any part of land from the ocean, even in a mythical story?

 

[Assyrian]

It does not matter if this was a covenant or not. The passage says it was not going to happen again. ...a boundary that they may not pass, so that they might not again cover the earth. In Genesis 1:2 the waters covered the whole earth. That was not going to happen again. A global flood would have covered everything again like it was in Gen 1:2.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

That still doesn't answer the question of why God would inspire a mythical worldwide flood story occuring at a later time.

 

[Assyrian]

What makes you think God inspired a mythical worldwide flood, any more than he inspired say Grail mythology? A myth that comes from a misreading of scripture is not the same a God inspiring it.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I said mythical worldwide flood story. And yes I believe scriptures on this subject are misinterpreted. Our opinions differ about which ones. Evidence such as the recent tsunami that killed over 250,000 people indicate that there is no protective covenant against 'local' floods, and thus no sure ocean boundaries, at least not in that region. History records many destructive 'local' floods since the rainbow covenant.

Remember that God 'repented' that he had made man in the first place. He could just as easily have changed his mind concerning the boundaries of the sea, if it suited a new purpose i.e. the flood.

 

[Assyrian]

Has the land that was flooded in Noah's day suffered a flood where all life was wiped out again? It never says in the bible that God repented of setting a boundary to the seas. It does say repeatedly that when he first made land he said the waters would not cover it again.

The only reason to postulate an unbiblical claim that God repented of this decision, is to support an unbiblical interpretation of a global flood that these passages contradict. Much better to stick with what the bible says.

 

[philadiddle]

Wasn't the main focus of this thread supposed to be about parallel universes?

 

[shernren]

Wasn't the main focus of this thread supposed to be about parallel universes?

Well, if the Many-Worlds interpretation of QM is correct, then somewhere in some parallel universe this thread is completely on topic, we are all having a good time discussing parallel universes, and everyone's learning something new.

Not this universe. Sorry buddy.

... parallel universes don't really have much of an impact on my thinking about creation.

 

[juvenissun]

Well, if the Many-Worlds interpretation of QM is correct, then somewhere in some parallel universe this thread is completely on topic, we are all having a good time discussing parallel universes, and everyone's learning something new.

Not this universe. Sorry buddy.

... parallel universes don't really have much of an impact on my thinking about creation.

Why not? As a physicist, won't you puzzle on what could another universe mean? How about the existence of an anti-shernren? How could you close your eye on the possibilities?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Has the land that was flooded in Noah's day suffered a flood where all life was wiped out again? It never says in the bible that God repented of setting a boundary to the seas. It does say repeatedly that when he first made land he said the waters would not cover it again.

The only reason to postulate an unbiblical claim that God repented of this decision, is to support an unbiblical interpretation of a global flood that these passages contradict. Much better to stick with what the bible says.

I don't think you understand my question yet. I'll rephrase it:

If God set a boundary on the sea at creation, why would he inspire even a story that violates the boundary, whether of a local or global flood?

Using the boundary-at-creation arguement one could say that no flood of any kind occurred. If even a local flood did occur the boundary-at-creation covenant would have been broken by God.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Wasn't the main focus of this thread supposed to be about parallel universes?

Yes. As they relate to the flood. Read the OP.

 

[Assyrian]

I don't think you understand my question yet. I'll rephrase it:

If God set a boundary on the sea at creation, why would he inspire even a story that violates the boundary, whether of a local or global flood?

Using the boundary-at-creation arguement one could say that no flood of any kind occurred. If even a local flood did occur the boundary-at-creation covenant would have been broken by God.

Clearly God did set a boundary at creation. We find references to it in Job 38:8-11 Psalm 104:7-9 Prov 8:29. If some sort of local inundation contradicts this command then it has been violated time and time again throughout history, including the Tsunami and Mozambique. Remember the Israelites spent generations living in a land that flooded annually. I doubt these passages are talking about local floods.

The alternative is that it is talking about the waters covering everything as it did before God created the continents Psalm 104:9 say that they might not again cover the earth. 'Again' means like it was in the very beginning. Local floods do not violate this. A global flood in Noah's time would.

Either the passages refer to local flood and have been wrong time and time again, or it refers to the whole world being covered with water and only contradicts the interpretation of Noah's flood being global. God did not inspire a story that violated these commands, the interpretation of the flood account that says it is global is simply not inspired by God.