PanDeism explains why the Universe has so many galaxies and stars....

[PacificPandeist]

PanDeism explains why the Universe has so many galaxies and stars....
It has often been asked why God bothered to spend the extra effort required to make galaxies of stars and planets, which we may never visit.... here PanDeism provides an answer which naturally results from the examination of the Universe through a series of logical steps, which suggest that God became the Universe in order to share in the experience of life therein....

Remember, now, it is taught that God basically blew itself up (albeit temporarily) in the Big Bang that started it all, so God is thereafter not around to guide life into existence, and must count on that happening on its own according to the laws of physics written into the Universe at the Creation.... therefore, PanDeism finds, the Universe is designed by its natural laws to facilitate abiogenesis and evolution by natural selection leading to the development of self-reflective intelligent life (and probably life with an even higher form of awareness to which we have simply not yet evolved)....

Really, then, there are two distinct driving factors behind the scope of the Creation:

First, God sought to create a Universe that would maximize the instances of intelligent life developing without need of further intervention from God.... the bigger the Universe, the more places in which this might occur.... so it is bound to be the case that life exists in other solar systems, perhaps in this galaxy, perhaps in others, but life that is equally likely to travel to other stars.... the Universe is made the way that it had to be in order to maximize the possibility of intelligent life arising; therefore, the distances between the stars and the galaxies are just a side-effect of the laws of physics needed to achieve the first purpose.... sort of like making a pile of dirty pots and pans and dishes and utensils is not the goal when you set out to bake a cake for your friends to enjoy, but between the mixing and the baking and the eating, that's what you are going to end up with....

Second, in order for God to gain the maximum benefit of sharing in this experience, life must blossom and spread throughout a large portion of the Universe.... hence, a big Universe full of wonder and beauty gives its inhabitants many opportunities to discover and feel awed at the sight of things within the Universe, feelings which God shares with us.... and perhaps fewer things will inspire more wonder than the meeting of two civilizations, each an alien to the other, hopefully in a spirit of peace....

Though this may not happen in my lifetime, I have high hopes for the destiny of mankind to be shaped among the stars.... just as humans have long interpreted an internal longing for God as a sign of God's existence, so I believe is the internal longing of many to believe in life on other worlds in fact a subconscious reception on our part of the beacons of sentience originating on those far-away orbs, dangling about their own flaming suns!!

In short, once again PanDeism explains it all!!

 

[very_irreverand_Bill]

Coming from a former Deist, whom leaned Pandeism and PanenDeism, now Agnostic Atheist{Agnostic about the deistic hypothesis and it's offshoots the Pan and panen deisms; Athiest about thiesms, and Anti-theistic regarding Monotheisms}, once whom has conversed with you before back whilst a deist....

...These theories proposed to prove or give good reasons for PanDeism, are valid and good "theories" in deed; but JUST THAT...."THEORIES!". Certainly they are well thought out theories, and I won'y argue that they are NOT TRUE nor INVALID... because they are valid, don't know if they are true; a valid theory that can be backed up using reason and/or evidence is'n nessarily TRUE. The same would go for Atheism too...it's a 'theory", a valid one, but a 'theory" nonetheless. Deism and it's offshoots and Athiesm are equally valid 'theories" given the evidence, the problem is when either one becomes a "faith belief"; I'm pretty convinced that both Deism{or Pandeism/Panendeism} and Atheism need to be accompained by the word "Agnostic"{Agnostic-Deist,Agnostic-Pandeist/panendeist; Agnostic Athiest,ec} in order to be truly reasonable; until such a time as one can be proven more likely or indeed...true.

I shared many of these beliefs you outline until recently; and I am still facinated by them and find them to be somewhat reasonable and indeed...valid, but only as "theories" or "hypothesis'", if you get my drift.

I hope though that this thread is read by more people here, and that a thought-provoking and long discussion ensues; because Deism in all it's forms, including this PanDeism, deserves much more exposure and conversation regarding it's theoretical validity; because in my view it's one of the most valid "theories" going.

Thanks for sharing

In Reason:
Irrev.Bill

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

In short, once again PanDeism explains it all!!

Interesting post. So does PanDeism see a future end of this world or universe in the future?

2 Peter 3:12 waiting for and hasting to the Parousian<3952> of the Day of the God By which the heavens, being on fire, shall be dissolved, and the elements with burning heat shall melt

 

[PacificPandeist]

Coming from a former Deist, whom leaned Pandeism and PanenDeism, now Agnostic Atheist{Agnostic about the deistic hypothesis and it's offshoots the Pan and panen deisms; Athiest about thiesms, and Anti-theistic regarding Monotheisms}, once whom has conversed with you before back whilst a deist....

...These theories proposed to prove or give good reasons for PanDeism, are valid and good "theories" in deed; but JUST THAT...."THEORIES!". Certainly they are well thought out theories, and I won'y argue that they are NOT TRUE nor INVALID... because they are valid, don't know if they are true; a valid theory that can be backed up using reason and/or evidence is'n nessarily TRUE. The same would go for Atheism too...it's a 'theory", a valid one, but a 'theory" nonetheless. Deism and it's offshoots and Athiesm are equally valid 'theories" given the evidence, the problem is when either one becomes a "faith belief"; I'm pretty convinced that both Deism{or Pandeism/Panendeism} and Atheism need to be accompained by the word "Agnostic"{Agnostic-Deist,Agnostic-Pandeist/panendeist; Agnostic Athiest,ec} in order to be truly reasonable; until such a time as one can be proven more likely or indeed...true.

I shared many of these beliefs you outline until recently; and I am still facinated by them and find them to be somewhat reasonable and indeed...valid, but only as "theories" or "hypothesis'", if you get my drift.

I hope though that this thread is read by more people here, and that a thought-provoking and long discussion ensues; because Deism in all it's forms, including this PanDeism, deserves much more exposure and conversation regarding it's theoretical validity; because in my view it's one of the most valid "theories" going.

Thanks for sharing

In Reason:
Irrev.Bill

Well I will agree that, even as much rational sense as PanDeism makes to me, and as much faith as I have that it is the truth, I am an agnostic in the sense that I (and everyone else) can't know this concept to be true.... but I think it is probable, and that is enough for me!! At least, PanDeism offers a logical explanation of the size and scope of the Universe, where other faiths just have hemming and hawing to give....

 

[PacificPandeist]

Interesting post. So does PanDeism see a future end of this world or universe in the future?

2 Peter 3:12 waiting for and hasting to the Parousian<3952> of the Day of the God By which the heavens, being on fire, shall be dissolved, and the elements with burning heat shall melt

It depends which PanDeist you ask.... a Scott Adams type might say not necessarily so, believing that God destroyed itself to make the Universe; I (and most PanDeists I know) feel that the Universe is designed to cycle back to the conditions of its beginnings, and thus cease to exist and thereby restore God to a fully active existence -- but with the added knowledge of the experience of the Universe!!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

It depends which PanDeist you ask.... a Scott Adams type might say not necessarily so, believing that God destroyed itself to make the Universe; I (and most PanDeists I know) feel that the Universe is designed to cycle back to the conditions of its beginnings, and thus cease to exist and thereby restore God to a fully active existence -- but with the added knowledge of the experience of the Universe!!

[emphasis mine]. Whoa!!! I am no rocket scientist, but that is about the most unusual view I have run across.
At that event, is that when all the ones who have died over the eons will come back to life, or are you of the belief that once your dead, your dead, kaput, nada. Thoughts?

 

[PacificPandeist]

[emphasis mine]. Whoa!!! I am no rocket scientist, but that is about the most unusual view I have run across.
At that event, is that when all the ones who have died over the eons will come back to life, or are you of the belief that once your dead, your dead, kaput, nada. Thoughts?

Consider it this way.... there is really nothing in the Universe but information -- all matter (including the grey matter between our ears) can be broken down to molecules made of atoms made of particles of energy, made of even smaller particles of energy.... at the very base of all that, are uniform bits of the force that composes everything and also holds it all together; that is God, or bits of God (God dust, as Adams calls it).... these unfathomable tiny bits that make up everything, every single one can be described in terms of a) where it is, b) what its charge is, c) what direction it is headed, d) what its rate of acceleration is, and e) what is the probability of a, b, c, or d changing in any particular way.... in short, it's all information....

Now, you know that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, it can only change forms.... I believe that whatever forms it goes through for however long it exists , this information is stored in that piece of energy itself.... this ultimate small particle, being a piece of God, has a massive capacity to contain the information that constitutes the history of its path.... at the end of time, when all of those particles come back together into one entity, all of those histories are also combined to create a replica, as it were, of the entire history of the Universe in the mind of God!! While we (and all who have died) will not be "brought back to life" in the sense that our bodies will be restored and we will walk around and talk and so forth, I believe our life experience will be maintained as a discreet collection of information within the mind of God....